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Posted By Abs Malik
Mornig all,
Quick question, we have an issue within our large office in which most staff (90%) use the main door to exit the building upon hearing the fire alarm. The last one was a disaster and in the confusion, a bottleneck was created with people stuck on the main stairs.
Where you are running a known practice drill, could you restrict acces to the main door to force peolpe to use an alternative fire exit?
Has anyone tried this? My concern is if there was a fire at the main entrance (where the risk is potentially higher than the other exits, staff would be in a sticky position)
They are aware of the other fire exits, but lazy to use them!
Any views?
Regards
Abs
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Posted By Renown II
Abs
There is nothing to stop you from 'blocking off' this exit for the purpose of a fire drill. (This could be used as the seat of the fire)
The aim is to make staff think of where their next nearest safe exit is.
During staff fire training, the subject of knowing at least two fire exits should be raised.
From what you say, 90% of staff go out the main entrance and this may not be their nearest safe fire exit, but it is the one they use all the time, thus causing the bottleneck.
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Posted By Merv Newman
Firm advice and training should be given on using the NEAREST exit which should be clearly sign posted, of course. Your sweeps should include in their duties the role of directing employees away from potential bottlenecks
Merv
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Posted By Mike Parks
Abs
I agree with Renown II about 'blocking it off' for fire drills. You do not say however if your main dor is normal swing doors or revovling ones.
In the event of a real fire elsewhere in the building, if 90% use the main exit you should look at WHY they are using it and why is there a bottleneck. What sort of door are they trying to get out of. Is it wide enough to use a an emergency escape.
Mike
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Posted By Crim
I agree with all above.
Sounds like you need to practice some drills blocking off the main entrance and let the employees see there are alternatives.
You should not allocate certain exits as this could lead to staff thinking they can only use a certain exit in case of fire.
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Posted By David Gault
The bottle neck you describe sounds much like the incident at the Station nightclub in America a few years ago where about 100 people died. In that case people became wedged in the exits.
In order to avoid that happening within a business you can use the fire evacuation to train both employees and your fire marshals. In a real fire people don't panic immediately but when they do a crush can occur. Make sure your fire marshals are trained to guide people out of the nearest exit. They should take control of the situation and not allow the bottle neck. Practice evacuations can help with that.
BLocking off an exit in a practice can be a good idea and in fire risk assessments you have to discount your largest exit.
However, as I implied above control is essential. Your employees need to be familiar with the exits and the fire maarshals need to be confident enough to guide them out. Imagine the bottle neck you describe in a real fire with smoke and maybe even the lights going out if the power cuts out.
I hope that is helpful.
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Posted By Abs Malik
Hi everyone, many thanks for the response, the main door is an automatic door, slides open. This is the door all our staff and customers use to enter the building.
We have 3 other dedicated fire exits around each wing of the building, which staff do not use. They are aware of their existence on inductions but fail to use them in an evacuation. Generally i think all staff just follow the route the largest crowd is using thinking it is a) the safest or b) they can have a chit chat with colleagues as they evacuate.
I have heard that some people use smoke devices to simulate real fires when undertaking practice drills, has anyone else come across these, any help on this are would be grateful.
Abs
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Posted By Abs Malik
How does everyone determine how long it should roughly take to evacuate a buildig, is there a formula?
Abs
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Posted By Renown II
Hi Abs
I think before considering smoke devices, you need to carry out a few evacuation exercises until staff become confident with using different fire exits.
They need to understand that a fire evacuation should be carried out in a quick and orderly fashion - one day it could be for real, that is why it has to be practiced.
A smoke device could cause panic to some staff in your current circumstances. Keep it simple, put a sign on a blocked exit, or even stand in the way to prevent staff going through.
As said previously, ensure your marshals direct staff out of the nearest safe exit, this may take out the bottleneck situation.
Also, after the drill, send a report to let them know how it went and what problems occurred, and what needs to be done in the future to make it better.
Guidelines recommend at least two fire drills a year, but if you are still not happy, arrange for more (explain to management why!)
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Posted By Decimomal
You say a large office but do not say how large. What does your fire risk assessment say,are you the safety peerson, what have the fire marshalls been told? Questions questions........
Review the fire risk assessment
Provide information and training
Clarify the duties of managers, supervisors and fire marshalls
Try to establish why occupants do not evacuate via the emergency exit routes (are they alarmed for example?)
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Posted By Descarte
We commonly closed doors and signed with laminated pictures of fires on them and personally ensured no one used them when conducting fire drills.
Perhaps reiterate people should use their 'Nearest' exit route, this may not be the same one to which you enter the building by.
Des
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Posted By Abs Malik
We have approx 400 people in the office 90% staff and the remainder are customers, visitors and contractors.
Our fire risk assessment is suitable for the building, but in reality we all know evacuation drills never go to plan!
having signs on doors to say no exit, is probably a good idea.
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Posted By Ian Futcher
Abs
I suggest you run a fire evacuation test and let it go wrong. Take copious notes about what goes wrong. Get input from marshals/wardens about their view of what went wrong.
Put together a corrective action plan Improve signage, training, contact sessions etc), and complete the actions. Then run the evac test again and see the improvements; address any remaining problems by the same process = continual improvement.
As for evacuation time, we have a 5-floor office block with approx 200 people working; in our last evacuation everyone got out in 2 mins 40, and the roll call was completed by 5min 20 after the alarm sounded.
I seem to remember that a few years ago, a large superstore in Chichester caught fire and collapsed in 7 minutes, so that might suggest that evacs should be completed in say 3 mins (no hard and fast rule, just a thought)?
Ian
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Posted By Merv Newman
I conducted twice-yearly fire drills for almost 20 years (two sites) never had one that went 100% right. Always found some improvements were possible.
After the drill we held a meeting with sweeps/managers etc to analyse the results and discuss corrective actions.
This meeting was called the "post mortem"
Merv
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Posted By Clare Hazlewood
Make sure your fire wardens (sweeps) give clear verbal and visual instructions to those leaving the building. People respond well to being told what to do!
We've just this afternoon done a drill, which I observed from the inside. Wardens on the top floors clearly instructed groups leaving each room which exit they should use - consequently all available exits were used, and those using the back stairs got out very quickly. Wardens on the middle floor gave more general instructions: "move along please", and everyone from this floor shuffled off to the main stairs which were consequently quite crowded (though not dangerously).
The drill is followed by information-gathering from wardens & marshall, a report to relevant managers with recommendations and then feedback to the wardens & marshall. As others have said, there's always something to learn.
Clare
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Posted By Fire Fly
Abs, you have received a variety of well informed and professional solutions regarding your post.Whatever methods you employ to educate occupants in using alternative egress options, you should consider other life safety emergencies that may require alternative evacuation options, eg bomb threat, chemical spillage, air system contamination etc. If practical, split your floor area in to evacuation zones if you have multiple exit egress options, eg more than 2 points of egress. They could be coloured coded for easy identification on a floor evacuation diagram and have a designated exit point for each evacuation zone. In an evacuation where all exit points from the floor are safe to use it will ease the conjestion away from
the 'most favoured exit'
Fire Fly,Sydney
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