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#1 Posted : 11 December 2008 14:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By TCG
Hi All

I have a question regading cold water systems and electric showers.

I am working through L8 and cant find any mention on this scenario.

Im assessing a small private caravan site which are in use 6 months of the year. A cold water storage plastic tank, held in the roofspace is used which is the correct size for 24 hr use, both tank and pipe are insulated

Are electric showers are a lower risk and I persume the best option to mitigate the risk of contaminated areosols is to set the shower thermostat so there is no less than 50 c after one minute of running, is this correct?

I plan to use this control measure along with weekly temp checks, tank maintenance, site season setup procedures ie cleaning, descaling and use of biocide to sterilise. Along with weekly flushing of showers not in use during the season.

Any help is much appreciated

Thanks
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#2 Posted : 11 December 2008 15:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Clifton
Electric showers obviously provide heat on demand and there is therefore no hot water storage. This will mean no 37C temperature at which Legionella grows at its optimum rate.

Shower water temperatures should not exceed 41C as above this presents a risk of scalding particularly to the young or old. Most lectric shower temperatures are controlled by the user at the shower point itself in order for them to achieve a comfortable temperature. Are your thermostats fixed temeperature type?

50C is the minimum return flow temperature in a hot water sysytem (HWS) back to a Calorifier to prevent the growth of Legionella bacteria. As electric showers heat cold water at source and are therefore not connected to the HWS this is not relevant.

Adrian
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#3 Posted : 11 December 2008 15:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte
Yes I think you may have gotten some of the facts and figures a little muddled, a shower temperature of 50Deg would present a scalding risk to most people.

http://www.iphe.org.uk/databyte/legionella.pdf

May provide a little more clarity with regards to outlet temperature for showers.

Des

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#4 Posted : 11 December 2008 16:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris L
As above, you do not need to follow the procedures for stored hot water as you do not have any. Keep your cold tank closed, clean & insulated, make sure no stagnation occurs & your shower heads clean & you should be fine.

I would suggest that you consider draining the system for the 6 months it's not in use, then you won't need to manage it so intensively over the closed period: just make sure you recommission correctly.

HTH.
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#5 Posted : 11 December 2008 16:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By TCG
Hi

Thanks for the response so far, I can see my mistake!

I understand the system is relativly low risk, I wanted to check my intended controls

Im going to include the following in my control program.

1. maintenance, inspection and cleaning of the tank and pipework

2. Cleaning, descaling and sterlising (although the latter not required by law)

3. Inspection of the quality of the tank isulation to prevent heating in the hotter months

Thanks
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#6 Posted : 11 December 2008 16:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I would drain down the system during the winter months.
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