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Posted By Robert_N
I have a question which I have asked to may with no clear usable answer yet given.
We have a Sikh male that we wish to work in an area of the building that requires workers to wear a bump hat rated at EN812. I have searched a lot of PPE suppliers but none have anything that will cover a turban nor do they have any suggestions.
It has been said that the turban will offer the same if not more protection than the bump hat however I can't use that information with out testings it.
Has anyone ever come across this before?
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Posted By Warren Fothergill
I know its probably not a good idea, but what about asking the individual to assess his turban and reduce the size of it. I suggest this as sportsmen (particularly cricketers) who are sikhs, change their turban to ensure they can wear the protective equipment.
Monty Panesaar is a Sikh and there are also a number of the Indian team (Harbajhan Singh for one) who also wears a turban and protective equipment in the form of a helmet, so that is perhaps a way around your issue.
I am lead to believe that the turban is to be in contact with the head at all times, but in what form the turban takes is down to individual interpretation.
Hope this offers an idea?
Regards
Warren
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Posted By Bob Youel
look at the head protection regs and undertake your risk assessment using some of the information presented therein
Its an old question and you will *probably find that the person is not required to wear such head protection
[*there are more circumstances than the HP regs cover hence my probably comment!]
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Posted By graeme12345
there is no requirement for this person to wear head protection, Sikhs are exempt
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Posted By Richard Altoft
Strictly speaking the exemption only applies to the Construction Head Protection Regs and hence only to construction sites. I ran a very large site when the Regs first came out and I contacted the Indian High Commission and also consulted with the Sikhs involved. All very amicable and very sensible. Sikhs adopted a very reduced turban which allowed a standard helmet to fit over it but with one proviso == they could change turbans in a private place. (not a toilet.
If bump cap is a response to a real risk and not just a rule then unless other protection can be provided you will have to move the individual to alternative work away from teh risk which could lead to possible discrimination problems. Consult with those involved and I am sure a solution will be found
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Posted By Roly Buss
Sikhs have an exemption under the Construction Head Protection Regulations and the Employment Act, but this only applies to Construction work.
If you workplace does not fall under the definition of construction work, then the PPE at Work Regs apply and there is NO exemption under these Regs for Sikhs. If they refuse to wear a helmet then you cannot permit them to work there.
HSE have issued a Operational Circular for their Inspectors, which is available at
http://www.hse.gov.uk/fo...od/oc/200-299/282_27.pdf
Roly
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Posted By MortonFC
Robert,
You have mail. I have sent you a Turban policy from www.buildsafeuae.com I hope its of use.
Cheers Gary
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Posted By S T
Under “Construction (Head Protection) Regulations 1989”, Sikhs waering turbans are exempt (not those who don’t wear turban though)
useful guide -
INDG 262-Head Protection for Sikhs Wearing Turbans - Guidance for Employers
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Posted By Aidan Toner
I haven't checked but I assume long standing exemptions still relate to the Construction regulations and turban wearing persons from the sikh community.
On a personal note, I never could understand why faith values -or deeply held convictions by any religious/cultural grouping- are permitted (by H/S law)to expose an individual to a higher risk level than his/her colleagues in the same industry.???
I did'nt understand the exemptions way back then and I still don't understand them now.
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Posted By MortonFC
Aidan,
You make a very good and interesting point. As safety professionals we must ensure the safety of all no matter what there faith is!
If we consider the following:
A Turban or Padgi consists of a long piece of cloth wound round the head sometimes with an inner hat called a "patka".
A Patka is a Sikh head covering worn as an inner hat under the Pagdi. Normally worn by Sikh children in preference to its big brother, the Turban. This is knotted at the top to keep the hair intact.
The effect of Turban on Head:
The turban offers its maximum protection where the fabric is heavily bunched at the front and back of the head. This region accounts for only a small portion of the head. The regions of least protection provided by the turban are the crown and sides. The top of the head is only covered with one layer of turban material. Therefore the top portion of the head is where the risk of head injury is high.
The following should be considered when Sikhs wear turbans on site.
1. Sikhs should not be allowed to work in such areas with a turban where a risk of falling objects are identified as medium and high according to the risk assessment, unless they wear a safety helmet with `Patka' turban.
2. Allow Sikhs wearing a turban without a safety helmet to work on the site when wearing at least a 6 meter length `Pagdi' only in areas where the risk of falling objects are low.
The above measures are NOT to discriminate, instead it is a reasonably practicable and logical control measure to a very unpolitical subject.
Your thoughts, comments and suggestions as always welcome.
Reference: Turban Policy - www.buildsafeuae.com
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Posted By MortonFC
I should also have said
Where control measures could not be adopted by other means.
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Speaking from personal experience I find this thread somewhat odd. I base this on the view of a person who always wears a turban, (Not me)or so I thought. Let me explain. I was among a group of people on a training course with a swimming pool. Yes we decided as a group to go swimming, but one of the group was a Sikh of quite high rank within that religion. To our suprise he arrived withoput his turban. This cause some ammusement among several people, but he was wearing a basball cap. So inevidably someone asked why no turban, he smiled and said his religion requires him to have his head covered when in public and the traditional way of doing this was to wear a turban. Therefore he wxplained that he was not breaking his religious conditions by wearing abaseball cap because his head was cover which is the requirement of his religion.
Anyway the posting states a bump cap rather than a safety helmet, which do you really mean? A bump cap is to prrevent bumping your head rather than protecting it from such things as falling objects.
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