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Posted By Tony Rodham
Can I have some thoughts please?
The task involves the use of an angle grinder.
Concerning PPE, is the use of safety glasses suitable and sufficient or would a full face visor be more appropriate?
My thoughts are the latter but I might come up against resistance from the workforce!
Regards to all & HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Tony
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Posted By Calum Cameron
Tony-I have recently had a very serious facial injury where a grinder kicked back and opened a very large laceration from the top lip to the top of a guys nose.
I also am now more likely to recommend a face shield as goggles would not have prevented this injury.
I think I have a pic if you need it to punctuate the point. Fairly gorey but really shows the need for a shield.
Let me know if you need it.
Regards
Calum
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Posted By Tony Rodham Thank you for your input Calum. I would prefer a visor to be worn but the resistance will be: "We have never had a problem before"! If you can find a photo of the injury you mentioned I would be most grateful. My e-mail is tonyrodham@hotmail.comATB Tony
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Posted By Barry Cooper
Tony
If the grinding wheel or disc shatters, goggles will not prevent injury to the persons face. I recommend face shields with chin guard every time, provided they have the correct high impact resistant visor fitted.
A photo of injuries would help sell the fact. I still have problems convincing contractors of the need for face shields, so it has been made compulsory across the site
Barry
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Posted By Merv Newman
I go with the face shield and experience shows that one with head covering is best. Without, particles can get in the hair and fall into the eyes when showering or combing.
Experience comes from a foundry (car engine blocks) where about 50 people were doing nothing but grinding. Despite close supervision we were still getting a few eye injuries every week. Finished up with air supplied hoods.
Merv
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Posted By Richard Altoft
Not all air fed hoods have impact resistance to level required to resist a grinder blade or fragments from one (because they are usually a control for fumes not impact) However subject to right face screen I fully support use of air fed helmets as workers find them more comfortable and hence more likely to use them . Also they offer protection against dust and fumes and spectacles wearers don't have the problem of misting up that goggles bring or lack of visibility to sides and down etc that many goggle wearers complain about
R
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Posted By Muppit!
A Browguard and Visor are definately recommended (usually sold seperately to enables different visors / uses).
A resonable quality item with a good headband is worth the extra initial expense.
For this application choose Polycarbonate visors, not Acetate. As the periferal speed of the grinder is probably 90m/s, the visor should be 'B' rated (for impact speeds of 120m/s).
An anti fog coating greatly helps with user acceptance.
If it helps, you should choose a visor displaying the following marking - 'EN166B-K-N'. Basically meaning a polycarbonate visor which is rated to 120m/s, has an anti scratch coating (avoids glare) and an anti fog coating to prevent internal misting.
The 'We never needed them before' attitude is really annoying. I suggest you accept the offer of the gory photo and show them. The injured guy said the same thing! Will he say it now?
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Posted By Suffolkman
My thoughts
Aren't we all forgetting the hierarchy of control - PPE is the last resort, could the job be re-engineered so angle grinders are not used? or automated? or enclosed etc....if use is constant and risk is high that's reasonably practicable.
If PPE is used it should if possible be seen as temporary measure till the permanent fix and then I 100% agree with full face shield comments - if the job can't be changed then information, training, supervision,maintenance and enforcement are critical
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Posted By paul@supremevisors.comyou need our new product which is half way to bomb disposal - grade A approved ppe only for this level of inertia. paul
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Posted By Muppit!
Is 'A' Rated not rather OTT for this application? Plus heavier and more expensive?
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Posted By garyh
The original post asked about "safety glasses".
They are in no way suitable............I often find confusion about this so here goes.....
In my experience (including 10 years with ICI)
Safety specs provide protection for the eyes against nuisance dusts / limited impact protection.
Goggles provide better protection for the eyes against the above.
Visors protect the face NOT THE EYES.
Thus, our standard for grinding was visor and goggles to protect eyes and face.
Note, the appropriate rating PPE must be used (eg I have found people grinding using a visor with chemical resistance, not impact rated).
If your workers think that this is unnecessary, or uncomfortable, or can't be done, ask them how uncomfortable would be a piece of shrapnel in the face? Also point out that on a site with high safety standards eg DuPont etc people wear PPE like this routinely, all day.
I hope this helps, you are not there to be popular, stand your ground firmly but politely, you might save someone from being maimed.
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Posted By Francis E S Hone
our standard for grinding is visor and goggles to protect eyes and face.or full face air fed helmet. shattering Wheels can get past visors & safety glasses.
Regards
Frank
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Posted By Francis E S Hone
Calum.
If you can find a photo of the injury you mentioned I would be most grateful. My e-mail is live just click on my name.
thanks in anticipation
Regards Frank
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