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#1 Posted : 09 January 2009 10:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By NJS
can anybody give me a defintion of competence?

I know is all about

having the knowedge of a task
knowing your own limits

but i know there is more, and i cant remember what?

any helpers?
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#2 Posted : 09 January 2009 10:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By ScotsAM
Having experience and knowledge.
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#3 Posted : 09 January 2009 10:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By teaboy
a combination of information, instruction, training and experience
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#4 Posted : 09 January 2009 10:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Worth
In case law - 'one who is a practicable and reasnable man who knows what to look for and how to recognise it when he sees it' (Gibson V Skibs A/S Marina and Orkla Grobe A/B and Smith and Coggins Ltd [1966])


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#5 Posted : 09 January 2009 10:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By SteveD-M
Training, qualification or experience required against terms of reference defining areas of responsibility.

In law = The quality or condition of being legally qualified to perform an act.
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#6 Posted : 09 January 2009 10:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
The only definition in h&s that I know can be found in the MHSWR 7.-(5) ...sufficient training and experience or knowledge and other qualities...

Pick the bones out of that one.

Ray
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#7 Posted : 09 January 2009 10:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kirsty Davies2
According to ACOP L21 (MHSWR)

Competence is the ability to do the work required to the necessary standard. Competence does not necessarily depend on the possession of particular skills or qualifications.
Simple situations may require only the following:
(a) an understanding of relevant current best practice;
(b) an awareness of the limitations of one's own experience and knowledge; and
(c) the willingness and ability to supplement existing experience and knowledge, when necessary by obtaining external help and advice.

Definition of a competent person:

“A person shall be regarded as competent where he has sufficient training and experience or knowledge and other qualities to enable him properly to assist in undertaking the measures he needs to take to comply with the requirements and prohibitions imposed upon him by or under the relevant statutory provisions”
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#8 Posted : 09 January 2009 11:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian_P
Morning,

Before the management regs' acop confirmed what "competence" is or should be (as correclty stated by above posts), the only piece of H&S legislation offering a definition was the Electricity at Work Regulations 1989 in Regulation 16 "Persons to be competent to prevent danger and injury".

Quote:

"No person shall be engaged in any work activity where technical knowledge or
experience is necessary to prevent danger or, where appropriate, injury, unless he
possesses such knowledge or experience, or is under such degree of supervision as may
be appropriate having regard to the nature of the work."

Have a good weekend ya'll.

Ian
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#9 Posted : 09 January 2009 11:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hazel Harvey
NJS,
If you go into Information Centre on the left of the screen and scroll down the guidance notes you will find a document 'Setting standards in health and safety'- raising performance through training and competence development. This has quite a bit about competence in it.

Hazel Harvey
Professional Affairs Director.
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#10 Posted : 09 January 2009 11:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By MortonFC
NJS, I could send you a very good document that describes competency if you make your email known.

Cheers Gary
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#11 Posted : 09 January 2009 12:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sheila EJ Keogh
and part of competence is knowing when to call in another person or specialist for advice ;)
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#12 Posted : 09 January 2009 12:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By NJS
Morton FC or Gary. i have allowed my email to be seen.

Thanks in advance

NJS
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#13 Posted : 09 January 2009 12:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By KEVIN O'KANE
"Not yet caught" was the definition given to me during my diploma studies
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#14 Posted : 09 January 2009 13:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By MCK
SKATE

Skills
Knowledge
Attitude
Training
Experience

Without it you could be on thin ice.
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#15 Posted : 09 January 2009 14:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kirsty Davies2
“A person shall be regarded as competent where he has sufficient training and experience or knowledge and other qualities to enable him properly to assist in undertaking the measures he needs to take to comply with the requirements and prohibitions imposed upon him by or under the relevant statutory provisions”

The above definition was omitted due to copyright laws form my post. Apologies for quoting the reference being ACOP L21. I would now relate the above statement with MHSWR99.
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#16 Posted : 09 January 2009 15:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kirsty Davies2
The definition of competence in view of Approved Code of Practice L21 for MHSWR 99;

“Competence is classified as an ability to perform a task to a required standard.”

“Competence does not depend on having specific qualifications or skills.
In simple scenarios it will merely require;

1) Self awareness of own knowledge/experience.
2) Understanding of current best practices.
3) Where required, a capability & wilfulness to increment one’s knowledge by further help. ”
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#17 Posted : 09 January 2009 15:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kirsty Davies2
Sorry my post got omitted again, let’s try again.

The source of the information I will provide below is

Statutory Instrument 1999 No. 3242
The Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999
© Crown Copyright 1999 (“It may be reproduced free of charge”)

“A person shall be regarded as competent for the purposes of paragraphs (1) and (8) where he has sufficient training and experience or knowledge and other qualities to enable him properly to assist in undertaking the measures referred to in paragraph (1).”

And Para (1) goes;

“Every employer shall, subject to paragraphs (6) and (7), appoint one or more competent persons to assist him in undertaking the measures he needs to take to comply with the requirements and prohibitions imposed upon him by or under the relevant statutory provisions”
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#18 Posted : 09 January 2009 15:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Some good discussion and expanded definition in this document:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/co...t/condocs/competence.pdf
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#19 Posted : 09 January 2009 15:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian_P
Hi Kirsty,

Think the problem is your first quote this morning was from the published, and therefore 'commercial', acop. (unlike the above which is from the regs).

The mods seem to be clamping down on these types of quotes - probably got their wrists slapped by TSO / HSE....?

Ian
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#20 Posted : 09 January 2009 15:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian_P
Ah!

Will transcribe argument onto other thread....
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#21 Posted : 09 January 2009 15:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kirsty Davies2
I can'r seem to find anything wrong by mentioning the ACOP as long as you use your own words
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