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#1 Posted : 21 January 2009 09:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Price
We get supplies from the EU and they are fitted with two pin euro plugs. Can I fit UK three pin 13 amp adaptors directly on to these EU plugs and if so what if any tests do I need to carry out?
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#2 Posted : 21 January 2009 09:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Haynes
Not sure about testing - but most [if not all] converters are rated at or below 3 amps.

Would it not be better to just replace the EU plug with a UK 3 pin type - and PAT Test?
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#3 Posted : 21 January 2009 10:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By graeme12345
Richard can you not either change the contract,

1. for the supplier to fit the correct plug
2. or supply correct plugs to your supplier to fit (instead of wrong ones)

you could be liable if a person is injured or damage has occurred and it was proved that the equipmentt you manufactured was to blame
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#4 Posted : 21 January 2009 10:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Can I suggest a call to your Local Trading Standards Office for a bit of advice, particularly if you are importing these and distributing them.
There are "normative" (i.e.) UK requirements in the harmonised standards referenced in the Low Voltage Directive relating to UK Plugs and there may be issues for you in ensuring that the Declaration of Conformity (i.e. CE issues) is not affected by this action.
One of your first questions to ask of the supplier is what rating of fuse to put in the UK Plug!
Life could turn out easier if you can get the OEM to change the plugs to UK standard before they're shipped.
As I understand things, it is not legal to sell or supply an electrical appliance in the UK with the "Europlug" fitted - although it does happen!
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#5 Posted : 23 January 2009 16:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Les Craven
This may help clarify some points.

I recently discovered an immersion heater/circulator in one of our labs with this type of plug attached and a BS 5733 adaptor which is neither earthed nor fused. The plug of which has now been replaced. However, with this in mind, we recently purchased a similar circulating immersion heater from a laboratory supplier, specifically asking for it to be fitted with a UK 3 pin plug. What we received was a 13A plug and small screwdriver to do it ourselves!

For clarity There are two types. The standard, Class 1 grounded mains plug used in Germany, Australia, the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway and Finland is known as CEE 7/4 (also known as "Shuko") It has two 4.8mm round contacts on 19mm centres and two grounding clips on the sides of the connector body. The CEE 7/4 plug can be inserted in either direction into the receptacle.

The CEE 7/7 plug was developed to bridge the differences between the "Shuko" plug/socket system and the connection system used in France and Belgium. It is used in applications up to 16 amps. Above that, equipment must either be wired permanently to the mains or connected via another higher power connector such as the IEC 309 system. This plug is also unpolarized except when it is used in French and Belgian sockets.

the Shuko connection system is unpolarized (i.e. line and neutral are connected at random). When used with an adaptor, failure or inappropriate fitting could therefore possibly result in an electric shock.

It is not uncommon for computers to be supplied with both types of plug but at least these cables are not fixed and are fitted with an IEC socket (typical kettle socket) for connection to the equipment. Different matter where the cable is hard wired!

Equipment manufactured for sale in this country is supposed to be fitted with a moulded 3 pin fused plug conforming to BS1363 but some non standard plugs do filter through particularly in the commercial market.

I would not recommend using these plugs with an adaptor. It is preferable to have a competent person replace it with a suitably rated UK 3 pin plug. Check the amp rating of the equipment.

If there are concerns about invalidating warranties then take it up with the supplier.
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#6 Posted : 23 January 2009 16:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT
Richard

No expert but topically I have just taken delivery of a German product for my personal use and this came into the country with a moulded two pin Euro fitting with no option of removing as it formed part of the transformer.

The retailer spent a lot of time with the UK authorities on this matter, and it was concluded that our law states it must be fitted with a 3 pin conventionally fused plug; he subsequently had made/purchased, a sheath style fitting which is screwed over the two pin fitment and permits conventional plugging in to to a UK socket without further adaptation.

I am now able to use my product quite happily.

CFT
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#7 Posted : 24 January 2009 12:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel
Why not cut the EU plus off and let the purchaser put on their own plug [as has happened since such goods were originally sold!] supplied by you? - Or does anybody know of a law [a law not a recommendation / nor best practice situation!] that I have missed saying that all such goods must be supplied with a suitable manufacturers supplied plug attached?

If you do not fit the plug you have no liability in that area!

I am not in any way being funny but time and again I see equipment come with manufacturers sealed plugs attached which then have to be removed because of cable routing & similar problems etc
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#8 Posted : 24 January 2009 14:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Innes Gray
This may be of intrest to you

The nominal European voltage is now 230V 50 Hz (formerly 240V in UK, 220V in the rest of Europe) but this does not mean there has been a real change in the supply.

Instead, the new "harmonised voltage limits" in Europe are now:
230V -10% +6% (i.e. 207.0 V-243.8 V)
in most of Europe (the former 220V nominal countries),

and 230V -6% +10% (i.e. 216.2 V - 253.0 V)in UK (former 240V nominal)

I have had trouble with a charger burning out, Note it came with Euro plug we cut off

When testing input voltage into factory i have found some near 225 and some near 240
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