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Posted By William O'Donnell
I hope someone out there can provide me with a 'definitive' answer to my enquiry.
In the event of an emergency evacuation is there an absolute duty to inform the emergency services that the building is clear of personnel. I can think of several situations where this may be difficult (access of the public, transient staff etc)but have been told by our fire safety officer that we must have arrangements in place, at all times, to meet this obligation.
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Posted By ScotsAM
Give your local fire station a call and ask their watch manager. They're now the enforcement agency re. fires so they're best placed to advise.
Depending on sight size, they may want to come out and formulate an 'actions on' plan for the event of a call out.
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Posted By Neil R
You must inform the emergency services if you have people un-accounted for.
What type of access do you have in other words are you a shop or public office or a private building.
Options you could use to keep track of people are:
Signing in/ out book
Swipe card system on door, allowing you to print off a list of people in building.
Use of fire marshalls you sweep building in the event of an evacuation.
Using these type of methods will give you the details to pass to the emergency services.
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Posted By Jane Blunt
There are two basic ways of establishing that the building is empty - a roll call of who is in there, or an organised sweep to establish that it is empty.
The former can only be used when you know who is in (such as in a school which takes a register), but the latter can be used more widely.
Jane
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Posted By C.J.
Yes.
RRO
15. —(1) The responsible person must—
(a) establish and, where necessary, give effect to appropriate procedures, including safety drills, to be followed in the event of serious and imminent danger to relevant persons;
(b) nominate a sufficient number of competent persons to implement those procedures in so far as they relate to the evacuation of relevant persons from the premises;
If you are unsure whether there are people still in the building then you do not have 'apropriate procedures' or are not 'nominating a sufficient number of competent persons to implement those procedures' and thereby failing that regulation if 'relevant persons' are still not evacuated.
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Posted By garyh
CJ, where does it say in the RRO you have to do a roll call?
We always say that this is part of effective fire management, but is it a specific duty in any regs? That is the question.
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Posted By NJS
I've always thought this a bit of a grey area myself. Specificaly in large shops/shopping centres.
I would be interested to hear your solution to the issue.
NJS
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Posted By Robert Randall
Hi William,
your question has only been partly answered by previous correspondents. You asked "...is there an absolute duty to inform the emergency services that the building is clear of personnel?"
As indicated by other contributors you must have arrangements in place to evacuate the premises and those arrangements must be adequate for that purpose, i.e. to get everybody out expeditiously. The FRS has a duty to establish the situation when they arrive, however there is no express or implied legal duty for the occupants to "inform the emergency services" although it is obviously necessary to do so.
You cannot therefore be held legally responsible for not having informed the fire and rescue service of the status of the building. I for one would however contend that you do have a moral duty to do so.
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Posted By C.J.
GaryH,
"CJ, where does it say in the RRO you have to do a roll call?"
As far as i know it doesn't say anywhere. why are you asking me i never implied there was a duty to do a roll call?
"We always say that this is part of effective fire management, but is it a specific duty in any regs? That is the question"
I think you better read the question again, and my post, as you seem to have misread both.
For your information the qustion reads "In the event of an emergency evacuation is there an absolute duty to inform the emergency services that the building is clear of personnel." not is there a need to do a roll call?
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