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Posted By Pete Sutton
L&G your thoughts...
I have been asked advice by a friend of mine who seems to be having trouble on site with an over zealous H&S advisor from a well known large construction company...
Contractor conducting normal operation of lifting manhole rings and biscuits into position using 360, certified chains and lifitng hooks under control of competent banksman... PC advisor stops job and demands a CITB certified slinger Signaller to control the operation...
My view - over 20 years on the tools and as HSE manager and never had this demanded before...it would be lovely to provide the option but not practicable???
Your thoughts please
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Posted By Neil R
Does the PCs policy determine the competency for signaller/ banksman as CITB qualified?
If it does then the actions you speak of are breaching the companies policy not so much Health and Safety Law.
However if it does not then you need only proof of competency (i.e slinger/signaller tickets/ certification).
Bear in mind the large construction companies will only accept certification from an external body (CITB, City & Guilds) or at least recognised by.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Strictly all Banksmen are Signallers according to the BS. It does not in fact recognise the term Banksman.
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Posted By Neil R
In these PC times, it is Banksperson now. You will see the role title as Slinger/ Banksperson.
Although you can have Vehicle bankspersons, who in there job do not operate in lifting operations and are there for vehicle movement only. (wagons, lorries etc)
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Posted By alex mccreadie
Peter
There is no Banksman card in the CSCS or CPCS system only Slinger /Signaller A40.(CPCS)
If there is a Banksman card I cant find it?
Sadly if the Main Contractor wants a CITB carded man you have little choice.
You must challenge him if you can prove Training and Competence in any other way.
I was on a MCG site today and challenged there demands on 2 accounts and won on both. I felt happy as normally MCG just say no we want so we will have.
Good Luck
Alex
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Posted By pat ryan
By any chance was you friend on a site in Islington????
I work for one of the Major Construction companies.
Anyway for Bansmen/Bankspersons we only accept CITB/CPCS certified persons.
Generally all Trade Contractors are contractually obliged to supply competent certified staff, if your friend can not prove his/her competence to carry out their job then they should not have made it past the induction, and should not have been allowed on site.
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Posted By Pete Sutton
thanks for the responses L&G...
still no clearer..but from the responses i think we have deduced there is no legal written requirment...
and the demand for CITB slinger for minor lifting ops is something i havent come across in my 20 years....
but as you so rightly say...if the pc wants it done a certain way..so be it..
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