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#1 Posted : 18 February 2009 07:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Victor Moorehead I wonder if any one could shed some light on this for me. My partner injured her arm at work - using an old hoist to lift an elderly patient - and has been off work for the last 4 months receiving physio treatment etc. She has now been told that further tests etc are required and this will take at least another 2 months. According to her current contract at the 6 months stage she will go on 1/2 pay. My question is this: If the injury was caused by equipment that was provided by the employer, can they reduce her pay in this manner. It seems somewhat unfair that they can cause the accident and then penalise her because it takes more than 6 months to rectify! Any advice would be appreciated. Regards
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#2 Posted : 18 February 2009 08:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Longworth This is really an HR issue Victor and most of the advice you would get on this forum would probably be on the basis of guesswork rather than on the basis of a deep understanding of employment or contractual law. It does seem unfair to reduce pay to half pay after an industrial accident but I would guess that if that is the contractual term then there probably isn't a lot that can be done.
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#3 Posted : 18 February 2009 08:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neil R In short, yes they can. Although the contract is written in broad terms and doesn't take into account circumstances. Your best bet is to speak to HR, they will in some cases continue to pay full pay when its due to an accident at work as it may prevent a personal injury claim or be used during the process to reduce the overall payout. Simple answer ask the question to senior HR, if they continue to pay full wage then happy days. If not then write down your losses and put a claim in for the accident.
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#4 Posted : 18 February 2009 08:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J Jones I agree this should be taken up with her senior HR person. I suggest, given the curcumstances, she asks for continuance of full pay without predjudice. Just my thoughts and I'm no legal eagle but surely worth a try.
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#5 Posted : 18 February 2009 08:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J Jones Opps! That should, of course, be "circumstances" Doh!
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#6 Posted : 18 February 2009 09:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Victor Moorehead Thats greats folks - thanks very much for all the advice. Regards Vic
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#7 Posted : 18 February 2009 09:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Wil I had a friend in a similar position. His pay was reduced half pay after 6 months (after an accident at work). The company refused to relent as they said it would be admitting liability. My friend did however get statutory sick pay which helped. As you would expect he was pushed into a corner so is now claiming for lost earnings etc etc.
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#8 Posted : 18 February 2009 10:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By DP Victor - Having previously worked in the NHS (I'm presuming this given the circumstances), 6 month full and 6 months half pay are the contractual T&C's. As advised its over to HR.
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#9 Posted : 18 February 2009 10:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By S T As mentioned y previous posts, it is an HR issue. It purely depends on your T&C set in the contract. So the best thing will be look into your contract of employment. Employment law itself does not state that employee should be given full pay during all the period of sickness. It only covers few weeks. Therefore, companies are hesitant to provide full pay, hence accepting the liability. In response to your annoyance for the fact that accident happened at work. Please note that this is covered by employee liability insurance, not by employment rights. However, you can sought compensation for any loses through a civil claim, bearing in mind, not all the claims put against the employers are fruitful.
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#10 Posted : 18 February 2009 11:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Liz Johnston If your partner worked for a local authority, they have to have a seperate scheme under the pension regs for Industrial Injuries. This can allow upto 12 months full pay. Liz
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#11 Posted : 18 February 2009 12:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Nicholls Also don't forget now for long term sickness you still build up holiday entitlement! Regards Alan
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#12 Posted : 18 February 2009 13:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Victor Moorehead Liz, I am very interested in what you have said ref the local authority. If you could explain your comments more fully that would be great. Regards Vic
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#13 Posted : 18 February 2009 13:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Not read all the postings and apologies if someone has mentioned it already, but as an industrial injury there is a good chance that any loss of earnings could be addressed through an industrial injuries claim. That is what it is there for, paid by the employer through employer's liability insurance.
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#14 Posted : 18 February 2009 13:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis You mention old hoist is it damaged and getting the required checks on it!
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#15 Posted : 18 February 2009 13:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Parkinson Within the NHS we operate an industrial injuries benefits scheme which means that injuries sustained under the term of industrial injuries qualify for Temporary Injury Allowance which I believe means that they should receive upto 85% of their normal wages. If they subsequently are not able to return to work then Permanent Injury Benefit may be payable meaning that they will be paid the qualifying figure for the rest of their life although if they can work elsewhere then this could be reduced. If the injured person does not work for a public organisation then they should contact the DWP to register the injury under the Industrial Injuries Benefits Scheme ( I also presume it has been reported to the enforcing authority if a work related incident).
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#16 Posted : 18 February 2009 14:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By alex mccreadie As well as some of the other advice you have received remember the Patient Lift comes under LOLER. Therefore should have an documented Inspection every 6 months. Regards Alex
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#17 Posted : 18 February 2009 16:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Liz Johnston Vic, Under the Local Government (Discretionary Payments) Regulations 1996, local authorities are required to have a scheme for payments for when an incident causes an injury at work and that injury leads to a reduction in renumeration (ie pay). In many authorities it is called the Industrial Injury Scheme or Industrial Injury scheme. However it is often not well know in authorities. Talk to their health and safety manager who should know. The exact scheme varies from authoirty to authority. Regards Liz
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#18 Posted : 18 February 2009 17:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By water67. I doubt they will bend the contract rules. We often have a similar if worse, for the employee, if they haven't completed enough service to qualify for sick pay and are off regardless of industrial injury or not no sick pay. You could of course, if you feel you can win, make a claim against the employer for loss of earnings Cheers
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