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Posted By Mogcat
I am trying to reduce the amount of paperwork our installation and service engineers have to carry round and complete. Is there any reason why a Method Statement and RA can not be combined on the same form ? For example if the method statement is 10 steps, is it possible to list the hazards and risks associated with those steps, allocate a risk factor(H,M,L) and include the control measures dependant on the risk factor. I have created a form and my Manager is questioning if it is acceptable.I would be willing to send anyone the form to have a look at if required. Any advice appreciated
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Posted By peter gotch 1
Hi Mogcat.
1. Assuming you employ 5 or more, record of "significant factors" arising from risk assessment should cover
Hazards
Risks
"Preventive and precautionary" measures to mitigate the risks
2. Thence a suitable method statement could achieve all three requirements without another document.
Good luck, Peter
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Posted By Mogcat
Thanks Peter,anyone else with an opinion. I need to decide whether to go down the combined route and would appreciate advice from more experienced H&S professionals.
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Posted By MP Grayson
Do it, I do.
If it were illegal we can share a cell.
Crack on.
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Posted By MP Grayson
You don't snore do you?
Only joking. No reasons why you should not combine the two. So long as it meets the requirements of suitable and sufficient etc etc.
Crack on..
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Posted By Mogcat
Only when i'm drunk. Can you send me a copy of your combined ra/ms i'll show my boss that where not the only company doing this. Re prison i'm having the top bunk !
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Posted By MP Grayson
I will see what I can do. I shall hunt out an old one from my previous job. Cant send an up to date one as I work for a consultancy now. I'm sure you understand.
Re: Top bunk. Have booked you a full cavity search upon arrival. That should slow you down and allow me to get there first.
Don'T forget the Vaseline. :-0
Crack on.
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Posted By AnthonyMorrison
I can see no reason why you cannot do what you suggest, its been done many times previously. If you for additional comments on your specific form feel free to send it and I will have a look
Anthony
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Posted By Mogcat
Thanks Anthony, send your e-mail details and i will send
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I've done this too, Mogat. Works well. My ideal is to keep the whole thing contained within 2 sides of A4. 'Portrait' works better that 'Landscape' format. The people at the sharp end like it too.
No legally prescribed format for R/A - so make H&S work for you!
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Posted By CS Chen
That is what we are doing. We put all in a JSA list
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Posted By Suffolkman
Mogcat
Did it & it worked well!!
page 1 - highlighted PPE, Isolation & PTW requirements
page 2 was step by step JSA( the method statment) + risks H/M/L+ controls
Page 3 any special precautions/ training etc.... risk assessors and managers signature / statements
We achieved by:
Having a brainstorming session with managers and supervisors to identify the list of RA/MS and an agree hazard list & format
Used the service supervisors and service engineers to create and review the RAMS then tidied it up and created a summary matrix and training pack
Rolled it out... well received as it was less paperwork and the guys had been involved
LA inspector had a look and raised no objections
My only words of caution are:
Method statements are about how to do the job so not just safety
Make sure the line management own the process and documents
Go for it!!
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Posted By SteveD-M
Mogat
Done it, been doing it for the last 10 years.
Basic principle always applies - suitable and sufficient but the format of the paper really doesn't matter.
As they say crack on!
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Posted By Rob sharp
Afternoon,
If you send me a copy I would be happy to have a look and give you my thoughts
Rob
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Posted By Dominic Howkins
Hi Mogcat,
I am very interested by your idea of a combined form and how this might work. I work for a software company and we have a client doing something very similar but I would be interested to see your approach.
Our overall aim is to rid organisations of paper by using technology as a way to capture, track and report on data / processes that would have originally been collated via traditional means.
Any chance I could get a copy please?
Have a good weekend.
Dom
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Posted By Derrick Robinson
We do it for fairly complex engineering operations on construction sites. We started because when we had separate documents the RA was tending to get ignored as people went straight for the MA. Our document starts by describing the work proposed and listing the personnel etc. We then have hazard identification followed by risk assessment and control measures then PPE, tools etc and finally a sequence of work which takes account of the foregoing. It works well everyone likes it and it has made the RA part of the process much more relevant to the people at the sharp end.
Derrick
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Posted By jharrison1
Risk assesment and method statement recording formats are not defined in law so as long as they contain the relevant information to identify the hazards, risks, people at risk and H & S measures to get the job done safely it doesn't matter how you record it. My motto is "keep it as simple as possible". Go for it.
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Posted By Suffolkman
Mogcat
You have a mail response !
Gus
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Posted By Joe McCluskey
If I remember rightly - and I'm sure I'll be shot down if Im wrong :)
There is a legal requirement to assess the risk but no legal requirement to do the MS.
We have been using the RA only for some time and the control methods determine the methodology involved.
Unless it was osmething really involved I see no better streamlined way of doing it.
After all as one of the other chaps said above, make safety work for you.
People just wont read long drawn out documents.
J
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Posted By garyh
Under MHSWR you have to assess riks; under HASAW you have to have a SSOW.........
To answer the question, in my experience you can combine RA with MS. Effectively the MS shows the troops how to work safely based on assessing the risks. Job done!
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