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Admin		#1 Posted : 22 February 2009 10:21:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By S T What two things must happen for an accident to happen?
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Admin		#2 Posted : 22 February 2009 11:01:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By stephen d clarke Hi, Thought it was at least 3 immediate, underlying and root causes. Steve
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Admin		#3 Posted : 22 February 2009 11:37:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Safety officer I don't know what two things must happen for an accident to happen? Waits for punchline....
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Admin		#4 Posted : 23 February 2009 09:10:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Decimomal Unsafe Act - Unsafe Condition? Have a look at a well knowm search engine and look up Heinrick, Bird and Loftus 'Domino'
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Admin		#5 Posted : 23 February 2009 09:32:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Raymond Rapp Basically a) the immediate cause b) the underlying cause(s). This is taking a simplistic view as some causal factors are quite complex, whereas their could be just one cause - the immediate cause.
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Admin		#6 Posted : 23 February 2009 13:25:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Ron Hunter what's your definition of 'accident'? I can think of one popular definition that would make the answer to your question self-evident.
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Admin		#7 Posted : 04 March 2009 13:26:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By David Hughes a) A person and a source of hazardous energy exist in a situation where they COULD interact b) "Something" causes them to interact Might not be definitive but without those 2 conditions there's no accident
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Admin		#8 Posted : 04 March 2009 13:38:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Decimomal David - does there really have to be a person to be an accident? Are you indicating that without a person it would be a (dangerous) occurrence?
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Admin		#9 Posted : 04 March 2009 13:41:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By David Hughes I just presumed we were talking about an accident that occurred to a person that's all. Suppose it depends on the definition of "accident" for the purposes of the question.
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Admin		#10 Posted : 04 March 2009 18:50:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Phil Rose Is it me? But what sort of question is it that we are trying to answer in the first place?!
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Admin		#11 Posted : 05 March 2009 13:47:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By safetyamateur Is it 'cause' and 'effect'?
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Admin		#12 Posted : 05 March 2009 15:55:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Bill01 Hazard & Outcome
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Admin		#13 Posted : 05 March 2009 16:07:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Safe System bit of a generic question really.. Maybe a misinterpretation but think about it .. some times there are more than 2 events leading to an accident that cause it... unsafe condition, unsafe act, lack of planning, lack of training etc etc.. think of F E Birds accident triangle..
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Admin		#14 Posted : 05 March 2009 16:28:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Chris Allan First post! Accident = Unplanned, uncontrollable event
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Admin		#15 Posted : 05 March 2009 16:30:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Safe System surely not so much an uncontrollable event as an event that is controlled? - very big difference
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Admin		#16 Posted : 05 March 2009 16:31:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Safe System that should read "NOT" controlled
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Admin		#17 Posted : 05 March 2009 16:35:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By paulw71 pride and prejudice
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Admin		#18 Posted : 05 March 2009 16:51:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Chris Allan ok how about, accident = unplanned uncontrolled even?
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Admin		#19 Posted : 05 March 2009 18:41:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By shyjukr unsafe and improper method,Lack od proper instruction and training
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Admin		#20 Posted : 05 March 2009 20:05:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Phil Rose 1. There's a big hole in the ground 2. Someone falls in it Sorry being a bit mischievous :-) but on a slightly different tack, how about, there must be a hazard and the consequence of the hazard is realised. It's not perfect by any means. I still like the falling in the hole idea! Phil
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