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#1 Posted : 23 February 2009 10:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Wil
Hi everyone.
What actions would you expect from an employer who had employee's and contractors exposed to Asbestos?
During the incident, a few months ago, no measurements were taken to ascertain what asbestos concentrations were at, at the time of exposure, although measurements were taken to make sure it was safe to go back into the area. As I write the employer hasn't offered to do anything.
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#2 Posted : 23 February 2009 10:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
What were the results of the measurements taken to determine if it was safe to re-enter, and who conducted them?
You don't give much in the way of detail in your post. What I would expect and consider 'reasonable' would be very different depending on the type of ACM and the extent of damage/fibre release (e.g. Asbestos Cement versus Asbestos Insulation).
Is there at least an internal incident report you can refer to?
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#3 Posted : 23 February 2009 10:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Wil
The results taken after a thorough clean up by licensed contractors proved to be sufficient for the work to recommence, although we weren't told the readings.

Sorry for not giving much information but this is a sensitive issue at the moment and I don't want to identify the company concerned accidentally.

There was no internal incident report although a RIDDOR report was sent off. It was kept very quiet as the area adjoined open plan offices.
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#4 Posted : 23 February 2009 11:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By stephen d clarke
Hi,
In summary I think within the management plan for control of asbestos there should be information detailing what to do if asbestos is found or accidentally disturbed.

Basically work should stop, area evacuated and secured, notice displayed, environmental experts called in.

If someone is contaminated clothing should be bagged for disposal as asbestos waste or specialist cleaning and the person should shower/wash off any dust contamination. Area to be isolated doors/windows locked etc.

Subsequently all those exposed would need advice from occupational health and appropriate health surveillance. Its difficult if you don't know what the levels were I guess a competent advisor could make a judgement. It may require exposed individuals to have medicals/ X-ray as a record to show their current state of health, not if inhaled asbestos fibres are present as one is enough. Records kept for 40 years.
Steve

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#5 Posted : 23 February 2009 11:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Wil
Thanks Stephen.

Nearly all you mention took place apart from the individual issues such as Occupational Health getting involved, personal decontamination, health surveillance etc. It appears that the employer simply cleaned the area up and did nothing about the personnel involved.
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#6 Posted : 23 February 2009 11:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi
There is an HSE Local Authority Circular on "The level of risk from occupational exposure to asbestos: guidance for HSE and LA staff when responding to enquiries" following suspected exposure to asbestos at:-


http://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/5-19.htm
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#7 Posted : 23 February 2009 13:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
If it was kept that quiet, it would seem 'unlikely' that the incident was reported to HSE as a Dangerous Occurence (RIDDOR).When all else fails, all you're left with is a whistle to blow........
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#8 Posted : 23 February 2009 14:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Rodger
I have had a situation in the past where personnel suspected that they had been contaminated with asbestos fibres. Fortunately we had system in place which involved them being taken to the onsite decon unit by ACAD trained operatives and instructed how to decontaminate themselves. There clothing was bagged as asbestos waste however their outer clothing with the suspected asbestos debris was immediately taken to our Analyst and checked for the presence of asbestos fibres. On this occasion it was found that the material was not asbestos. It was important to check the clothing, rather than assume to be contaminated for two reasons. Firstly we were able to alleviate any fears that the personnel had been exposed very quickly and secondly if fibres had been found we would have a least an idea of the amount of exposure. This would be useful in asserting the extent of any medical surveillance, and can also help the exposed person put the potential risk into perspective.
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#9 Posted : 23 February 2009 14:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Wil
Thank you all very much for your comments, they have been of great use. As such I have just drafted a letter to the LA to get their views and comments.
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#10 Posted : 23 February 2009 15:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
David: Asking an analyst to find asbestos fibres in 'visibly clean' clothing is much the same as asking him to find a needle in a haystack. Seems unlikely to me!
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#11 Posted : 23 February 2009 15:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Rodger
The clothing was not just visibly examined; swabs were taken and placed under a microscope, similar technique as used for checking dust samples.
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#12 Posted : 24 February 2009 12:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Emergency procedures which would cover the above scenario should be included as part of your Asbestos Management Plan.
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#13 Posted : 24 February 2009 13:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By GavinR
Just a question in addition to the main post. If you recently identified that you have ACMs previously unknown to the company and the ACMs have been in an area were 3rd Party contractor kept equipment and took rest breaks (1 person, long term site maintenance) what would be requirement then? Encapsulation and clean completed, reassurance test confirmed and area lock off for future use. What would we need to provide for the contractor in relation to medical surveillance and records? ACMs have a long incubation period so how will health surveillance or medical examinations identify potential exposure/related disease? In addition, if in house maintenance staff had previously worked in the area over last 20years without knowing it to be containing ACMs and likely to have suffered exposure what is the required actions now considering the period lapsed since original exposures? The ACM was insulation to pipework consisting of 3 main Asbestos types.

Cheers
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#14 Posted : 24 February 2009 14:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
In response to Gavins input, I suggest that nothing will be done as this will lead to calims cioming in and for those who may be affected put additional stress and worry upon the individual. We live in a real world and most companies would not invite claims. However, the company should undertake a discrete survey iof previous employees to try and identify if there is a problem with previous workers health before undertaking a frightening exercise.
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#15 Posted : 24 February 2009 16:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I suggest that there is no meaningful medical examination or health surveillance programme which can be implemented retrospectively, or following on from an accidental exposure, as no baseline would be able to be established.
The best that any honest employer could do in that respect would be to keep (via Risk Management or their Insurers) a faithful record of any confirmed exposure, with as much authentic information as possible (e.g. fibre counts taken at time of incident)
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