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#1 Posted : 01 March 2009 17:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By sjrogers Hi Can anyone tell me the difference between a method statement and a safe system of work? Following an initial risk assessment, I am under the impression that a method statement is required where the RA has identified high risk work such as the use of a mobile tower scaffold. A method statement would be required to detail how the scaffold is erected/used etc. A safe system of work would be written and followed when doing a job e.g where a piece of machinery was being used (steps that should be followed to ensure the job is done safely). Does anyone have some examples of method statements? Thanks
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#2 Posted : 01 March 2009 19:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By TonyB SJ There is a fundamental difference between a method statement (MS) and a safe system of work (SSoW). A basic explanation follows. The SSoW is more than a written procedure. It is everything that makes the way of work the safest it can be, SFARP. It includes the method, equipment, protective devices (inc. PPE), training, instruction, supervision, competence etc, etc. In short - the outcome of the Risk Assessment. The Method statement is simply that - a documented record of the intend SSoW. Usually companies use the term MS to relate to contractors only. It is a document provided by the contractor to the client to inform him/her of how they intend to work and what potential issues could arise, in particular to the client's employees from the work activity. The client has a legal (S3 HSAW) and moral duty to assess the contractors intended way of working before appointing them and the MS can be used to do this. However, Your company may use the terms to mean something else. Unfortunately many H&S terms can be incorrectly used by some companies. This is not a problem in itself, as lone as everybody knows what the term relates to. It can cause problems if you want to seek help from elsewhere and the outside world uses other terminology. Hope it helps. Tony
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#3 Posted : 01 March 2009 20:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp To play Devil's Apricot...I have always believed that a Method Statement (MS) and a SSoW was one and the same, just semantics. A risk assessment (RA), for instance, may be part of a SSoW and/or a MS, but it could not be described as a SSoW unless it covered every activity associated with the work, albeit most unlikely. Therefore any controlled activity could be described as a SSoW on the proviso that all aspects of the work have been assessed and controls are in place. Hope this helps.
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#4 Posted : 02 March 2009 10:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Brazier I can't agree with Raymond on this one, and believe Tony has it pretty spot on. The main steps to follow are: 1. Define thew activity 2. Complete the risk assessment 3. Develop a safe system of work to address the requirements of the RA. May require equipment, competences, preparation of site etc. 4. Identify any procedures that need to be followed 5. Identify any method statements that need to be developed 6. Implement You may need several method statements, depending on the nature of the activity. Whist it is fine to use your terminology own terminology in-house, in this case there is likely to be some confusion if you ever use contractors as I believe it is pretty common for them to produce method statements for their work (as Tony says)
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#5 Posted : 02 March 2009 10:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Why do we write method statements? What Regulations require method statements? I know the answer but does anyone else? HASWA 74 requires safe systems of work not method statements! That should keep some of you going for a while.
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#6 Posted : 02 March 2009 11:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Brazier Why do we need a regulation to say method statements are required? It is something that works in practice and is generally seen as beneficial. I don't really understand why you are asking the question.
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#7 Posted : 02 March 2009 12:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Hi Andy, we don't need regulations before we do the right thing, it's just that the term method statement is used by many and people seem to think they are a requirement when a simple risk assessment can do the job. I work in the shop fitting sector and find that sub contractors feel obliged to write loads of words and waste lots of paper with method statements for the most simple of task. A safe system of work is required for all work tasks but does not have to be in writing once the main findings of a risk assessment have been written.
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#8 Posted : 02 March 2009 13:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Okay, having defined your activity, done your RAs and so on, what are you going to call the document...a method statement?
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#9 Posted : 02 March 2009 13:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By KayS I totally agree with Tony & Andy. I work in the service industry (construction related but not actual construction) and have investigated this in the past, it all comes down to interpretation of the relevant regulations etc. In my view the correct interpretation is that a Method Statement (even though not a legal requirement) is effectively (or is at least a significant part of) a written 'Safe System of Work' - for contractors at any rate - and should also be an important part of quality management for service providers who employ subcontractors. Kind regards
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#10 Posted : 02 March 2009 14:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Brazier Crim Totally agree with you about avoiding writing method statements when they add no value. As you say the risk assessment should identify if a one is required or not. What I find is people find it very easy to say when a method statement or procedure is required but very difficult to say when it is not. I am currently working with a couple of clients at the moment developing systems that identify when a procedure is required and what form it should take. Only the most critical tasks will get full procedures, low criticality tasks get nothing. We are not looking at method statements, but I think the same issues apply. Raymond No. Assuming we are relating method statement to work carried out by contractors. How are the contractors asked to bid for the work? How are they appointed for the work? How is their scope of work agreed? All these things are part of the SSOW. The method statement is a small part of this.
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#11 Posted : 02 March 2009 14:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose I have always thought that a method statement provides the SEQUENCE that work should be carried out to ensure safety. They are commonly used in construction, demolition, asbestos removal etc. They would typically identify: sequence of works equipment to be used arrangements for access and egress timings for deliveries etc risk assessments risk controls etc etc The key 'characteristic' I believe is the sequence of events Phil
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#12 Posted : 02 March 2009 14:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Phil, you are right, the method should always contain the sequence. What I find from sub contractors is a general description of the work without this sequence of events. I have hardly ever seen a MS with the sequence although whenever I write a MS it is always sequenced.
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#13 Posted : 02 March 2009 14:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Andy With respect, I think you are being a bit picky. 'How are (contractors) appointed for the work?' There are many processes for identifying the competence of contractors. This is not a SSoW in itself and therefore you are presumably arguing the wider picture. I think this is taking matters too far. We could spend all day arguing whether a permit to work or a method statement is a SSoW. Does it really matter? They both required in certain circumstances for ensuring a SSoW. Ray
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