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Posted By Michael Hayward
Don't know if you guys have picked this up, but it got under my radar until the other day.
You may know that the credit card licences are only valid for 10 years, and since they were first introduced in 1998 the first lot are coming over for renewal The police are apparently pulling over drivers and a good number have expired.which means they are driving without a licence and therefore also not insured. Something you might want to look at when you are checking employees licences?
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Posted By Chris Packham
I was under the impression that it was the paper licence that was the defining document and that the photo-licence was supplementary. So presumably even if the photo licence (which I do not have) has expired, the paper licence is still valid.
Chris
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Posted By Pete48
Chris, quite correct and the other point is that the DVLA notify you at least two months before your photo licence is due to expire, so if it out of date you have either not told them you have moved or you forgot/chose not to renew it.
Seems that safety is not the only subject to get short shrift in the name of a story?
Why would people think that a photo on a driving licence is valid for any longer than a passport?
Mind you what this has to do with safety I am not sure, so best leave it there.
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Posted By Peter F
I think the point being made is that we could possibly have people working/driving who do not hold a valid licence.
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Posted By CFT
Sorry Pete, have to agree with Peter on the safety aspect :-)
Charley
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
As a company we don't accept the credit vard license as proof of the legality to drive. Only the opaper licence is used as this has full details easily read to confirm the ability (an assumption) to drive.
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Posted By Haggis JM
...just remember that the plastic photo card is the legal part of the driving license for Europe - UK is the only country to retain the additional paper information.
UK legislation says both parts must be carried/produced - how many people do that?
I know I don't carry both sections!
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Posted By Alan Haynes
Haggis said - "just remember that the plastic photo card is the legal part of the driving license for Europe - UK is the only country to retain the additional paper information"
I'm not sure he is correct - some of us only have the paper version, and mine has always been accepted when checked by the police etc when motoring in Europe - so it must also be 'legal'.
[and we don't have to renew it every 10 years - only when we're very old!]
Also - you try to hire a car in Europe using only the plastic photo card - you'll be lucky
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Posted By Haggis JM
I fully agree that those who don't hold a photo card license don't have a problem, and the paper license is legal.
I was commenting on the paper form in addition to a photo-card.
I've not been asked for the additional paper document when driving abroad (EU & Norway) and the EU workers on my site in UK do not have anything other than the photo-card license.
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Posted By Chris Packham
Several times when my daughter has hired a car in Europe the hire company has refused the plastic licence and insisted on the paper one.
I have never had a problem hiring a car or in any other way with the paper licence in Europe or the USA.
Chris
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Posted By John Richards As said: The full driving licence in the UK is both parts. The paper part has no way of confirming that the driver is the person named on the paper licence. The photo-licence has the picture to confirm from the appearance. When the photo part needs renewing (to update the picture) you need to send BOTH parts to dvla. When the photo part is out-of-date, BOTH parts are invalid. When/if you change any detail on the licence (ie: address) they will only re-issue the licence in the two part format... ie: photo and paper. [quote dvla] Here are the key facts for the 10 year photo renewal: • the photo on the driving licence is valid for 10 years • driving licence holders must renew their photo before the expiry date • as the first photocard licences were introduced in July 1998, photographs will begin to expire and need renewing from July 2008 • this is a mandatory requirement under GB law, section 99(5) of the Road Traffic Act 1988 non-surrender of licence - section 99(2A) • the DVLA will send reminders to driving licence holders (approximately 2 months prior to photo expiry) • the photo expiry date is displayed on the front of the licence at item 4b • there will be a fee of £17.50 to renew the photo • failure to surrender the photocard licence when the photo has expired is a criminal offence and the driver may face a fine of up to £1000 • you may encounter a licence with an expired photo - you need to be prepared http://www.dvla.gov.uk/m.../pdf/leaflets/inf229.pdf
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