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#1 Posted : 07 March 2009 08:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis I have just recently been turned down for a job with a local Housing Association as not enough hands on experience fair comment. To be honest i wouldn't of taken the job for the following reasons:1] they have over 3000 properties . 2]i would have to report to the head of H/R WHO HAD NO HEALTH AND SAFETY background. 3]They would want me to complete risk assessments plus usual inspections and staff training by myself on all properties! Is there any one who works for a housing association with simular work load.
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#2 Posted : 07 March 2009 09:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven bentham Jervis Sounds like the Housing Association made a good choice then! You will see many postings of people desperate for a job to give them good experience.
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#3 Posted : 07 March 2009 10:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By CW 3000 homes seems a lot but in reality I would imagine that only a very small percentage will require any attention at any one time. The houses that are occupied and in good repair must be running at about 90% and they will have empty emergency housing at maybe another 5%. Leaving 5% wanting anything from minor repairs that you probably wouldn't even get to find out about to more full refits. Maybe visiting about 10 property's a week max and some of those will be revisits. Risk assessments, I would say that that is the bread and butter of any safety professional and I would guess that delivering training would include training people how to conduct their own RA's. As for reporting into HR, what is wrong with that? What area was the job in?
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#4 Posted : 07 March 2009 10:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis Job was in Essex area whats wrong with reporting to H/R when i asked what experience they had i was told none what so ever how can you report back to some one if they have no knowledge of what you are reporting!!!!! I cant possibly see how one person could manage over 3000 properties by them selves unless you cut corners which i dont do.
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#5 Posted : 07 March 2009 10:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alison Parker Jervis – please don’t take this the wrong way but your inexperience may have come across at the interview. The challenge in this role as I see if from the brief information given is to develop systems to deal with the many properties. Much of this would end up being generic and the training would include developing staff to assist you in making the developing management system effective. The successful candidate would have researched this and given the employers what they were looking for. Many managers in many functions report to seniors with no experience in that specific area. I think you are being a little naive here. We all have to report into somebody and they can’t be all knowing can they? You will have most likely been employed as the competent person and that’s what it says on the tin. Once again from the brief information this sound like it would have been a good role to get the much needed experience.
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#6 Posted : 07 March 2009 11:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis Thanks for the feed back so far if nothing else the interview was a good experience for me and have taken into account what has been said so far.
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#7 Posted : 07 March 2009 12:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Okay. I got a Bsc in construction mananegement. I got three nebosh certs. I applied for a job with a local Housing asc. As i had recently been finished due to lack of funding etc. Guess what. I never even got an interview. The job was advertised as Safety technician. The pay was awful. I had been doing the job, as described. They were after a 'unique blend of skills'. What ever that means. I feel sorry for the person who got the job
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#8 Posted : 07 March 2009 13:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By CW "They were after a 'unique blend of skills'. What ever that means." As a cynic I would offer this translation and say that it means 'internal candidate'
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#9 Posted : 07 March 2009 16:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Well i agree with CW. It's rubbish isn't it. They must have got somebody's duaghter in or something. Anyway, the pay was very poor. I think it was £16k. I got myself sorted in the end.
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#10 Posted : 07 March 2009 17:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By GeoffB4 Jervis, we have a lot of experience of housing associations and the picture you paint isn't quite the reality of the situation - in our experience. The people looking after the properties are the housing officers. You would offer them generic assessments for the majority of the properties. You would train those officers to complete risk assessment using your generic assessment as templates. You would carry out RAs that were outside the competence/expertise of non H&S staff. You would carry out these in liaison with staff including HR/Engineering/FM. You would be available to offer guidance to those housing officers as well as being available to other staff as required. It would be an excellent job giving you the opportunity to learn a lot about H&S, how to set up budgets, business planning, supporting and encouraging other staff, training etc etc
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#11 Posted : 07 March 2009 17:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By GeoffB4 PS: I would consider it an advantage that the reporting officer was not an H&S man/woman - autonomy, yipeeeeeeee
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#12 Posted : 07 March 2009 18:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 Jervis, did you stop to consider that maybe the company had some cultural issues with regard to safety? Having a boss in HR is very useful in such circumstances. Is safety a team game or a specialist arena? Why, if you felt that the job looked huge, did you not question it at the time? You may have both learnt and demonstrated your ability to question things all in one go. It is my experience that individuals far more commonly overprice or perceive the job as bigger than do employers when setting their salary points. The employer is usually closer to reality! Why should a low salary be indicative of poor safety? I can think of many companies who have excellent records, do not need highly skilled practitioners full time on the payroll and so don't employ at that level. I wish you luck but I fear that you will need to review your hopes and broaden your expectations a little before achieving the success that you obviously seek in this field. Sorry if that seems harsh but you put yourself on display here.
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#13 Posted : 07 March 2009 18:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis Pete thanks your reply didn't find it harsh at all. We all have our own views on such things as said earlier the interview was a good experience . what i didn't mention i will be getting transferred over to this housing ass on a tupe transfer.As i am a Union Health and Safety rep i will be carrying on my duties as this. My own personal opion of this housing ass to do with health and safety isn't good and will be happy to be proven wrong on this.
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