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#1 Posted : 12 March 2009 09:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By HarveyJ We have provided suitable and sufficient rest facilities for employees to eat in the form of a staff canteen, with heavily subsidised catering contractor. We still have employees eating on the shop floor, where hazardous substances are used. My opinion is to prohibit and enforce that no food is eaten on the shop floor, at all. Comments that have come back, the same must be applied for VDU users (office staff), which is just as unhygienic albeit no hazardous substances used. Anyone got any practical advice on how to achieve a modicum. Thanks
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#2 Posted : 12 March 2009 09:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safe System Harvey - if i understand the correctly.. you want to stop people eating on the shop floor and restrict them to the canteen area... if so, easiest option, make it company policy. If anyone wants to disagree, then warnings will be issued. Also, consider carrying out a tool box talk or something similar talking about the hygiene issues involved... my work is construction but hopefully that helps.. if not, there will be someone who specialises in Manufacturing here shortly... there usually is.
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#3 Posted : 12 March 2009 10:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By frank.sobande I presume you've carried out a joint risk assessment with the shopfloor workers or their representative? If so, one of your control measures should be the provision of sufficient and adequate canteen facilities. So, no if's and buts! You must recommend this on the basis that it would eliminate the risk of contermination of food with chemicals and reduce the risk of poisoning or even worse death!
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#4 Posted : 12 March 2009 10:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By stephen d clarke Hi, COSHH Regs - employees should not eat, chew or drink in places contaminated by hazardous substances. Employers should set aside an uncontaminated area for this accessible conveniently to the working area and to washing facilities. Employers should also ensure hygiene measures are provided and employees are aware why and how they must be used and ensure through supervision that employees use the facilities in accordance with agreed procedures. Steve
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#5 Posted : 12 March 2009 11:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Brazier You have to ask why they want to eat on the shop floor. Do they feel the need to monitor their work, and if they leave the area something could go wrong? Are they allowed to eat their own food in the staff canteen, and if not is there somewhere else they can go? You do have to stop them eating where hazardous substances are present, but you do first need to understand why it is happening.
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#6 Posted : 12 March 2009 12:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bannister There are two issues here as I see it. Firstly, as Andy has said, why are these particular employees not wanting to use the (presumably clean, spacious, warm and comfortable) canteen? It may be as simple as not liking some of those who choose to use it or wanting a bit of solitude. The canteen may itself appear or be unhygienic. It may be a more insidious reason such as bullying. Secondly, what is the real risk of contamination of foodstuffs by the hazardous substances and what effect will it have? If the answers point to a significant risk of harm then you have no choice in making a change. Either way, consultation is indicated.
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#7 Posted : 12 March 2009 12:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By graeme12345 whats "SIGNIFICANT" risk is there in eating a bar of chocolate or a sandwich they are not using the haz. Sub's anyway. Exactly what are the hazardous substances, are these employees in contact with them while eating, are they using the hazards, or are they just stored ready for use If they are leaving rubbish behind it's a different matter. Again more arrows for the "conkers bonkers" brigade. I can just imagine it now, employee talking to his mates, "do you know what, H & S banned food at our firm today" b----- H & S that's all there good for!. Safety bods on the other hand think I'm really looking after my company's employees health, put another feather in our cap
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#8 Posted : 12 March 2009 14:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By graeme12345 Apologies for inferring what runs through your veins with dashes, and this is what the HSE and others are pleading with us to get away from, "NIT PICKING" and the reason why employees are justified in some of their assumptions
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#9 Posted : 12 March 2009 14:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim I recently carried out a fire risk assessment (beside the point) in a facility that provided a fantastic welfare room including sky TV, all modern facilities for eating and preparing meals. Really clean and comfortable. They had no problem with staff eating at the desks.
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#10 Posted : 12 March 2009 15:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh I have a lot of experience with COSHH. What substances are involved? The way you rule out ingestion as a route of entry where hazardous substances are involved is to BAN EATING AND DRINKING IN THE WORKPLACE. Period. You don't have to make excuses. The issue of food contamination in offices from keyboards etc is completely irrelevant and ata different level of risk. This is basic stuff!
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