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Posted By samanthah
managers right of retention of risk can any one explain this to me? My manager would like to introduce this as a way of letting visitors in to our engineering block with out safety shoes I'm not sure its a great idea but would like another option
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Posted By NJS
A true definition would be a Method of Self-Insurance whereby the organisation retains a reserve fund for the purpose of offsetting unexpected financial claims.
Meaning they will deal with an issue when and if it occurs. this surely does not comply with the HSWA? I guess your employer is trying not to have to buy PPE for visitors etc. It would surely be simpler to simply not allow them into the workshop.
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Posted By David Bannister
Managers make decisions, not all of them good ones.
Take another look at the risks of damage to visitors feet in your engineering shop. How likely are they to be in an area where something may drop on to their toes? How likely are they to step on something that may pierce street shoes? How likely are they to need the additional slip resistance provided by safety footwear? If the answer is greater than unlikely then reduce the risk, ideally by a method other then PPE.
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Posted By Richard Altoft
Section 3 and section 37 of HASWA1974 comes to mind. Wish your managers the best of luck in court with that policy.
R
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Posted By samanthah
thanks for help I can see a loud talking to from the mamagers when we no no this idea
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Otherwise known as the 'blind eye' Policy - often seen on construction sites where visiting dignitaries & politicos are kitted out in hard hats and yellow vests (looks good for the cameras)....and street shoes.
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Posted By warderic
I have come up against the problem of visitors wearing safety footwear many times. It is my opinion that in most cases mandatory safety footwear for visitors is unnecessary. If the workshop is clean and tidy, as it should be, there is little chance of someone piercing their foot. As for dropping something on their toe, is this likely? I have a policy where visitors are to wear sensible shoes i.e. not sandals, open fronted ladies shoes etc. However, if te visitor is carrying out some manual work in the workshop, repairing machinery etc, then they should wear safety footwear.
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Posted By Merv Newman
We had lots of visitors at my last site (came to be astonished at how clean it was) and had pedestrian walkways leading through all work areas. "Visitor : stay within the lines and no safety shoes needed. Go outside and they are required. No exceptions"
The "visitor walkway" rule did not apply to employees (ie admin/technical) or contractors.
Safety glasses worn by everyone in workareas.
Merv
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Posted By samanthah
our tool room is a tidy as you going to get for a 24 hour operation but the moulds we work on or show to visitors are up to 250- 460 kilos the chances of moving this is low but should a plate fall of the mould or tooling equipment fall then i would think a broken toe at least so i think it still a worry
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Posted By Alan Nicholls
Samanthah
Would the RA's carried out in the area have been done by the same person trying to change the policy?
Merv has it spot on.
No safety shoes; stay on the walkways, same with safety eye wear. You should know your own workplace better than most.
We expect any visiting engineers reps etc who enter our manufacturing areas to bring their own safety foot wear and eye wear. Those wishing to conduct any work observations strip downs etc must comply.
They soon learn that observing from a walkway 20 feet from the operation just doesn't have the same impact.
We now supply footwear etc as a matter of course when visitors are shown around these areas.
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Posted By pmac
we found steel toe cap rubber overshoes (Slipp-R brand from www.safetytoes.com) a while ago and they've solved all our visitor problems. before, we had safety shoes but there were always issues about cost and hygiene. the Slipp-Rs are a great solution with the added bonus of contamination (we're a food processor) and improved slip resistance.
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Posted By Flic
If the shoes have a 200J rating, I reckon they would only protect your feet if the 460 kg object fell a distance of around 50 mm or less.
Someone check the arithmetic!
Flic
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Posted By Phil Rose
In fairness, risk retention is a one of the 'available tools' in the risk management toolkit - isn't it? There may be instances where it is unwise, even foolish or possibly immoral , but it is something that I would have thought that most of us do from time to time. Arguably (and I am sure that this will create some debate) the principle of SFARP has a risk retention element to it.
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