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#1 Posted : 18 March 2009 13:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By jenjer
As a member of a sports club that holds an annual fundraising event, we are asked to volunteer our time to help run the event.

Is the club (who we are volunteering for) obliged to give us training on certain things?

For example, I know for a fact that there are people working from ladders who have not been trained in ladder safety.

Is the club liable if there were to be an accident?

thanks,

Jenny
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#2 Posted : 18 March 2009 14:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose
Jenny

from what I can see from the information provided, the club is not an employer, and the members therefore not employees. In the absence of such a relationship, much of the Health and Safety at Work Act will not apply.

However, the club will owe a duty of care to the club members and they would have a duty to take reasonable steps to ensure the safety of club members and members of the public who may be affected by what the club and their members do or not do.

On the liability side of things. The fact that there is an accident doesn't automatically render the club liable. Liability has to be either accepted (by the club) or if not, proven. Liability is essentially and ultimately a matter for the Courts to establish, unless it is accepted.

Hope this makes a bit of sense

Phil
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#3 Posted : 18 March 2009 14:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By jenjer
Thanks Phil - it does make sense.

I guess what I am getting at is do we need to train volunteers, and be able to produce records in light of something untoward happening to someone in this 'where there's blame, there's a claim' culture.

If someone was unable to carry out their paid job due to something that happened when they were under the guise of a volunteer - how does the sports club say they were able to do the job allocated to them as a volunteer?
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#4 Posted : 18 March 2009 14:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose
Some training might well be a reasonable thing to do. I don’t think that there is any strict duty to keep records, but in the event of a claim, any records will (hopefully) be of some help.

On the latter, I think the difference is that there are statutory duties that might apply to an employee that don’t necessarily apply to a volunteer. However, to complicate matters further, if the volunteer was working for an employer then the situation would be different again, as they would be covered under section 3 of the Health and safety at Work Act and would need to be considered under a risk assessment carried out under the ‘management’ Regs.
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#5 Posted : 18 March 2009 15:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel
if there is a 'gain' [paid for via an employees wages or not paid for e.g. use of a volunteer] then an employer/company has duties and liabilities as its not right and proper to let a volunteer or anybody else to just get on with it so an employer [those who gain] should provide appropriate training

In environmental law there are much tougher parameters where employers/companies use volunteers as the waste is always the producers waste so training in this area is also needed
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#6 Posted : 18 March 2009 15:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Wright
I am sure in the past it has been determined that even if they are a volunteer for the purposes of Health and Safety Law the volunteer will be deemed as an employee and therefore will have to give adequate training to be able to carry out their tasks.
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#7 Posted : 18 March 2009 16:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Altoft
the sports club is an undertaking and hence if it employs even one person such as a cleaner or a groundsman then it is also an Employer under HASWA1974. Employees are under section 2 but Volunteers then come under Section 3 and hence AFARP everything must be done to ensure safety etc etc even of volunteers and of public etc. Also controllers of premises have duties under HASWA and RRO etc.
Even charities get prosecuted under HASWA and get sued under civil law and so on.
Civil law also says must take reasonable care hence need for training might be established as reasonable care.
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