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#1 Posted : 02 April 2009 19:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By riskybizz After a bit of advice here guys, it's been a long day so please excuse me.... If an employee uses his own vehicle to travel to work(construction) and this involves a 2 hour journey each way, and he works 8 hrs on site(theoretically) should the travel be part of the risk assessment? Also, would the employee be entitled to more breaks? Thanks in advance................
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#2 Posted : 02 April 2009 21:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp mmm...I think this one is a slippery slope. Employees driving to work is not normally part of an employer's responsibility, hence a RA would not be required. Nor is there any need for extra breaks. Employees are free to choose where they work and the distances they are prepared to travel. Therefore under normal circumstances ie 8 hour day I would suggest there is no duty on the employer to assess the potential risks.
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#3 Posted : 03 April 2009 09:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Melanie Fellows At our company, if the job is over a certain distance away we pay them "dig money" so that they stay over near the job. Mel
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#4 Posted : 03 April 2009 10:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By riskybizz Mel, Please excuse my lack of knowledge on this "grey area" for me, but is there a certain distance where a lodge out is required?
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#5 Posted : 03 April 2009 10:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs It should be part of your risk assessment, but only as a possible influence on work-related matters. i.e. you shouldn't risk assess the chances of him hitting a bus on the way into work, but you might wonder if he is fit to work with intricate/heavy machines towards the end of the day. You shouldn't worry about his brakes on the way home but you might want to consider whether he is fit to drive if you have given him heavy manual work for eight hours before hand. Now ... my thought is that although you might want to record you have considered it, most healthy men should be fine with appropriate breaks and with guidance about driving whilst tired. But it doesn't take much of a health issue (like a virus) to mean that a long day can impact on driving skills. In reality, very few of us do this - but I recall a vague reference to criticism after an accident caused by long work hours. 8 hours may not fall into that category.
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#6 Posted : 03 April 2009 10:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Melanie Fellows From my limited experience, it depends if you are signed up to an agreement (we work to Construction Industry Joint Council guidelines), so if they work 75km away from home, we pay them "digs" money", and they don't drive home (I think they even get paid for their travelling time there on Monday, and back on Friday) Prior to us working to those guidelines, it was pretty discretionary, but basically, it was decided between the manager and the worker. Some like to work away from home, some don't. Mel
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#7 Posted : 03 April 2009 10:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H Raymond - you are correct in what you say about driving to work - unless they are driving to a place other than their normal workplace - IE construction site for audit on behalf of the employer. The risk assessment should be easy enough - generic - and to the highway code. Work and travel time together may then become an issue - but that is down to the individual employer and his employee to agree arrangements. Dave
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#8 Posted : 03 April 2009 10:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Juan Carlos Arias Employees start their working day the moment they clock in. if they choose to live two hours drive away, then it is entirely up to them. there is nothing you need to do about it as an employer unless specific contractual arrangements are made with the employee.Obviously it is a different case for people who drive for work ie. sales reps. It is good practise to offer some adjustments for people who live far away, however, I don't think this is compulsory.
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#9 Posted : 03 April 2009 11:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By A Campbell I suppose it would need to be defined if the employee is employed in a peripatetic capacity? Bearing this in mind the travel required to undertake their tasks would also be factored in as not all people employed on construction sites are static. In addition there are many cases where persons are employed for more than the duration of one construction site?
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#10 Posted : 03 April 2009 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bannister Consider the case of the theoretical H&S consultant who is habitually sent by his employer to deliver 8 hours service to a client, at sites that are 2+ hours driving time away. Reasonable?
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