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#1 Posted : 09 April 2009 09:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic Sat down last night to watch the Apprentice, pint in my hand and a bag of nuts. Had a sip of the pint, lovely, went to open the nuts, couldn't believe my eyes. There was a warning on the bag, it said "Warning This Bag Contains Nuts". Is it me? I know the bag contains nuts, I bought nuts, it says on the bag "Big nuts". Why do I need a warning to say it contains nuts. Surely I wouldn't expect anything but nuts. I know some people have an adverse reaction to nuts, but would they buy nuts? I think the whole thing has gone to far, its completely nutty.
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#2 Posted : 09 April 2009 09:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By A Campbell Could you be saying nuts to EU legislation??? Wouldn't be the first though!
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#3 Posted : 09 April 2009 09:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic It the EU or is it food companies going over the top?
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#4 Posted : 09 April 2009 09:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By bereznikov In a nutshell....I agree with you.
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#5 Posted : 09 April 2009 10:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs Well it depends ... If it was a bag of peanuts, the main ingredient was seeds, not nuts - perhaps they were warning of cross-contamination due to the processing? Reference: Oxford English Dictionary. Peanut is a seed. A nut is a fruit. Anyone else watch QI? :-)
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#6 Posted : 09 April 2009 10:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sen Sar Tabs I'm a QI nut or fruit ??? Thursday is obviuosly the new Friday this week! Sar
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#7 Posted : 09 April 2009 10:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic How can a peanut be a fruit, it grows underground, bit like a potato. I didn't know there were so many nutters out there.
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#8 Posted : 09 April 2009 10:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham I think the question has to be: "Am I a fruit loop or a nut case?" Chris
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#9 Posted : 09 April 2009 10:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sen Sar Warderic Then accordingly a potato should be a nut?
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#10 Posted : 09 April 2009 10:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Juan Carlos Arias This is what the ever-growing claim culture has led us into.
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#11 Posted : 09 April 2009 10:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By safetyamateur I'm with the nut company on this. If they prepare a variety of foodstuffs at their premises, then the packaging for everything non-nutty'll need the Nut Allergy warning. If there's only one product that doesn't need the warning I don't think I'd bother customizing the package. Pragmatic management methinks. Which laughs in the face of duffers like us discussing it (smiley face)
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#12 Posted : 09 April 2009 10:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic Sen Sar: Technically a potato is a tomato or is it the other way round? However, in order to be a fruit you need to grow on a bush or tree. Nuts are underground so are not a fruit. By the way, a tomato is a fruit and not a vegetable unlike the potato. Hope this helps.
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#13 Posted : 09 April 2009 11:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By andy.c. Yipee!! So after all this time all i need to do to satisfy the missus's five a day rule is eat FIVE peanuts. what a result, there not even green Have a good weekend folks Andy
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#14 Posted : 09 April 2009 11:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By andy.c. could be back to the greens, peanut now a seed, would that count!! seriously though i know of two nut allergy suffers one very slightly who would agree this is OTT but i have just spoken to the other who said any information on any nut product helps as poeple can make the strangest assumptions putting his life at risk. food for thought, (no pun intended)on how different poeple see the risk. Andy
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#15 Posted : 09 April 2009 11:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker Knowledge is being aware that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
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#16 Posted : 09 April 2009 11:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter F When you buy fish, it says on the packet 'may contain fish' there's something fishy going on or is it plain nuts.
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#17 Posted : 09 April 2009 11:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic andy.c: I appreciate a product having a nut warning, but why would you want to warn people that a bag of nuts contains nuts?. Who would buy a bag of nuts not thinking they contained nuts? You would have to be nuts to think that a bag of nuts didn't contain nuts. I'm going to get an aspirin.
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#18 Posted : 09 April 2009 12:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By andy.c. warderic I agree 100%, why would any sane person not think that a bag of nuts contains nuts, and i asked this question to my nut allergy friend who also agreed, however he told me of a friend of his that substituted peanut puree in a curry menu with peanut butter as this only contained flavouring, we are not all sane obviously. i am sure you know that a McCoffee contains hot liquid, you can not underestimate the stupidity of some people. Andy
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#19 Posted : 09 April 2009 12:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven n In a similar vein, Nytol has a warning stating that they 'May cause drowsiness'
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#20 Posted : 09 April 2009 12:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By ScotsAM A fruit grows from a flower (eg apple, strawberry). Seeds are in the fruit. Dunno about nuts but think they're hard fruits with seeds inside (the edible part). Tubers, rhizomes, roots and bulbs grow underground. Oh, and seeds!
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#21 Posted : 09 April 2009 12:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By joolz040770 Nuts? Nuts? We are all Nuts ... :-)
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#22 Posted : 09 April 2009 12:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Marshall lets face its plain ridiculous....bags of nuts will in fact contain nuts...grr i cant even be bothered to write any more..despair
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#23 Posted : 09 April 2009 12:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic Simon this thread is obviously driving you nuts; sorry about that mate.
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#24 Posted : 09 April 2009 12:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic ScotsAM: The peanut is a root crop which grows underground its similar to a tubular, except a tubular is the root of a flower. Technically a peanut could be described as a root. Many people think that peanuts grow on trees or bushes. The growing shoots of a peanut have a white flower, a bit like a snow drop, but slightly different in shape. This being the case a peanut could be described as a flower. Either way, why tell me I have peanuts in a peanut bag. I'm done, going home have a good weekend.
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#25 Posted : 09 April 2009 12:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Priest Oops, logged onto the BBC gardening forum by mistake!
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#26 Posted : 09 April 2009 12:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis Some products are sold with ‘generic’ names and it is not always possible to distinguish the contents from the name. Therefore, as a safety precaution, warning is printed on the packaging. There’s no need to go nuts over nut warning.
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#27 Posted : 09 April 2009 12:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic Swiss, I think we are all nuts. Good job its along weekend, we need it.
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#28 Posted : 09 April 2009 13:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 I think you all need a good dose of antihysteriamine (sic!) On the other hand a good chunk of chockie egg within the next 72 hours will undoubtedly help you recover from this allergic reaction to warning labels. Have a good long weekend.
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#29 Posted : 09 April 2009 13:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By ScotsAM Surely if it's a legal obligation to put these warnings on packaging, there should be NO exception. Not even when it seems obvious that nuts contain nuts. These jokes are now driving me ex-seed-ingly nuts! Or has that one been made already...a few times?
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#30 Posted : 09 April 2009 13:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter And let's not forget this archetypal piece of legislative gibberish: Nuts (Unground) (Other than Groundnuts) (Amendment) Order In the Nuts (Unground) (Other than Groundnuts) Order, the expression "nuts" shall have reference to such nuts, other than groundnuts, as would but for this amending Order not qualify as nuts (unground) (other than groundnuts) by reason of their being nuts (unground). Paul
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#31 Posted : 09 April 2009 14:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By M Bastone Re it's obvious that a bag that says contains 'Big Nuts' must contain nuts, well... I recently bought a bag of Squirrel and Cajun spice crisps. OK, it does contain the Cajun (rather too much in my opinion) but no Squirrel. Honest I checked all the corners! Anyway I prepared my own Cajun squirrel (Grey only) and they were not only better tasting but I had the satisfaction of knowing that my nuts are now safe! Happy Easter All.
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#32 Posted : 09 April 2009 14:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Graham Bullough Warderic Just to open another angle in this thread, perhaps you are a bit nutty in choosing to watch "The Apprentice". I was inclined to agree with a journalist who described last year's bunch of contestants as akin to a bunch of scorpions fighting each other in a jam jar, so I'm giving this year's series a miss. Well, if I'm not busy with something else when the programmes are showing I might be tempted to watch and savour the last 5-10 minutes or so of some programmes with the lead up to "Siralan" telling someone "You're fired". Quite enjoyable that bit, especially after the hapless firee has pleaded how wonderful they are and has given 110% effort, etc. Perhaps it's the modern televisual equivalent of what it was like to watch events at the Colosseum in Roman times, and nothing like as messy. Back to the thread theme. Does anyone currently possess a "Fruit & Nut" chocolate bar? If so, can they confirm whether or not the wrapper information includes a warning that the product contains nuts?
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#33 Posted : 09 April 2009 14:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic Graham, just got home, looked in the fridge and there is a bar of fruit and nut chocolate. Yes it does contain a warning. As for the Apprentice; I love that show, it is so much like real life but we don't realise it. These are real people in a real situation and their true colours come out for us all to see. We all know the crawler, the know all and the back stabber and its good to see them fired. Cant wait to see the next episode, sitting there with my bag of nuts containing nuts.
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#34 Posted : 09 April 2009 15:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tanya Boyce Apparently the marvel milk powder we use in the labs (its OK its not used for tea and coffee making) "contains dairy products" Really? Having used marvel powdered milk whitener I really question that statement
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#35 Posted : 09 April 2009 15:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic My last statement; promise. I have just looked on a jar of Beetroot. On the label is says "contains No Nuts". Brilliant, now I know nuts contain nuts and beetroot has no nuts. Put that together with Marvel contains dairy products and this week hasn't been wasted; can I get CPD points for gaining this knowledge?
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#36 Posted : 09 April 2009 16:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By John D Crosby Just to extend the discussion my tin of sardines had the following on the pack: Allergy Advice- Contains fish. Presumably they had not eaten any nuts!! Take care john C
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#37 Posted : 09 April 2009 16:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Whilst on the subject of labelling, I was buying an electric toaster the other day and one had a sell-by date on it. Do they know something I don't? Chris
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#38 Posted : 09 April 2009 16:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic If its anything like the toaster I bought it needs a sell by date; didn't last five minutes.
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#39 Posted : 09 April 2009 17:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Graham Bullough Warderic - Thanks for the reassurance that I wasn't imagining that "Fruit & Nut" wrappers have a nut warning label. As for "The Apprentice" one review described this year's chosen contestants as something like the cream of the UK's promising young business people. I haven't seen any of this year's programmes so can't tell whether this is a true description or not. However, I wasn't impressed by most of last year's selection. Anyway, who really cares, apart from the contestants? The main aim of the programmes is surely about providing programmes which people want to watch, so the usual mix of contestants no doubt eminently meets this aim. Musing about "The Apprentice" is straying off thread so I'd better conclude with a more relevant observation, namely that powdered milk whitener for drinks is the substance specified by the Institution of Chemical Engineers for the powder flame demo from its Top Ten Flash Bang Demos as described at http://www.whynotchemeng...top-ten-flash-bang-demos
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#40 Posted : 09 April 2009 17:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Barr You may all be interested (or not) in the following information taken from the Food Standars Agency website - People with some food allergies, particularly peanut allergy, have to be extremely careful what they eat. Food labelling is very important to these people because the consequences of eating the food they are allergic to could be very serious. Labelling rules in European Directives 2003/89/EC and 2006/142/EC ensure that all consumers are given comprehensive ingredient listing information and make it easier for people with food allergies to identify ingredients they need to avoid. The rules for pre-packed foods establish a list of 14 food allergens, which have to be indicated by reference to the source allergen whenever they, or ingredients made from them, are used at any level in pre-packed foods, including alcoholic drinks. The list consists of cereals containing gluten, crustaceans, molluscs, eggs, fish, peanuts, nuts, soybeans, milk, celery, mustard, sesame, lupin and sulphur dioxide at levels above 10mg/kg, or 10 mg/litre, expressed as SO2. So, apart from a few exceptions, all ingredients now have to be indicated on the label, even when they make up only a small proportion of the product. Some ingredients derived from the listed allergenic foods are so highly processed that they are no longer capable of triggering an adverse reaction. A list of products that were temporarily exempt from the labelling requirements of 2003/89/EC was published in Commission Directive 2005/26/EC and a list of permanent exemptions was published in Directive 2007/68/EC in November 2007. Manufacturers often use phrases such as 'may contain nuts' to show that there could be small amounts of nut in a food product, either in the ingredients, or because it has entered the product accidentally during the production process. It's not a legal requirement to say on the label that a food might contain small amounts of nut, but many manufacturers label their products in this way. Some members of the public have expressed concern that 'may contain' labelling is used too much, sometimes when it isn't really necessary. Some people are also worried that this could undermine valid warnings on products and restrict people's choice unnecessarily. The Food Standards Agency recognises that advisory labelling is essential to people with food allergies, and that manufacturers are striving to provide helpful information. It has been working with the food industry and public interest groups to reduce the unnecessary use of 'may contain' labelling and to provide clear advice to the public on why these labelling terms are used and what they mean.
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