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Posted By Nick Wilkinson
Just a thought regarding electrical regs, we currently use permits to work with high voltage operations .Do we have to use them for normal 230v / 415v live working. We have safe systems of work in place and correct ppe for live working ,is this enough ?
In addition if we had to do a permit we couldn`t control it due to shifts and we would have to write a lot of permits out with the tasks we perform.
Can anyone enforce this dilemma
Nick
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Posted By Simo 79
Both high and low volt live works can cause serious injury if not death, the consequences are very similar so why have a permit for one but not the other?
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Posted By Bob Youel
if you 'couldn't control something due to shifts' you may already have a problem
I would permit all electrical working
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Posted By Juan Carlos Arias
A permit to work is basically a form of ensuring that all necessary precautions have been taken. If you have a well developed safe system of work and you are confident that any body undertaking the work are adhering to it. I would say that you might not need to do the permit to work. The case might be different when you have outside contractors who are not familiar with your in-house system.
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Posted By Nick Wilkinson
Thanks Juan that is the sort of answer i was hoping for .
We do have safe systems and strict practices and like i said if we were to write permits for everytghing we would not get much done but i wanted to make sure we are doing all that is practicable and comply with our duty of care.
Nick
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Posted By TonyB
Hi Nick,
Think about what a permit to work should be used for - none routine, high risk activities. Therefore if it is a routine activity then a permit shouldn't be used.
However, based on the information available I would have a couple of questions.
Firstly, why are you live working? Live working should only be undertaken when there is no other alternative. There are only a few circumstances where this is the case.
Secondly, Permits should apply equally to your own employees as they do to contractors. Therefore, if you would insist on permit for a contractor your own employees should also work under one.
I know people can have a lower perception of the competence of contractors, but if you think about it you tend to use contractors for non-routine task where you don't have the in-house competence. But the task in question is routine to them.
All the best,
TonyB
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Posted By Nick Wilkinson
Tony we only work live if the electrician cannot find the fault an alternative way!
I hoped I would generate this sort of response as I can show other individuals a good cross section of responses and methods.
We have an ongoing issue with permits here in that if we raised a permit say for hot work or confined space entry etc each time we carried out routine maintenance or repairs our time taken to complete certain jobs would have a massive effect on our business.
We do however at present look at each piece of work and decide what is practicable and whether we have a duty of care to allow our employees and/or contractors to carry out that particular job before they begin. I think that is probably how we shall continue as the answers have been supportive enough to say that we are working as safe as possible and at all times under safe systems and procedures.
Nick
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