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Posted By Barry Cooper
Is it normal when undertaking a type 3 asbestos survey, that the surveyor goes around everywhere smashing holes into every ceiling, wall, door, and even the audiometric sound booth.
The premises are closed down, mothballed and waiting to be sold, which could be 2 years away, and then probably demolished.
Everywhere looks like vandals have used a hammer, and run amok
Barry
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Posted By Jo O
If the spec was for a full type 3 for major refurb or demo then yes. They are designed to be fully intrusive, this should however have been discussed at a prestart meeting perhaps so that you would understand how intrusive this type of survey is. We show clients photographs so they understand this.
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Agree with previous post. However, a type 3 survey does not allow wilful damage but to enable a fully intrusive survey. Those doing the work should take reasonable care.
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Posted By Gerry Marchant
Possible spreading of fibres would be my initial concern within the area....is the surveyor not sealing the area where samples are being removed?
Secondly if the surveyor is wilfuly knocking holes in areas what precautions are being taken?
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Posted By Jo O
At the time of the survey the surveyors should have been wearing full RPE/PPE. Whilst the aftermath looks like they have wilfully swung sledge hammers around this should also not be the case, surveyors have to proceed with care incase of accidental disturbance of an ACM. The surveyors should use knowledge of building age, usage etc to help with this (desktop study and risk assessment and that the T3 was for demolition purposes). Fibre release would still be a low risk on a survey of this type but if a surveyor did identify asbestos through this level of intrusion then it should be covered and labelled. Fibre release is unlikely but air sampling could be an option to reassure but having done similar air tests myself i bet nothing much would show up on them!
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Posted By Jo O
'Demolition and refurbishment surveys are intended to locate all the asbestos within a building as far as reasonably practicable. It is therefore an intrusive and destructive survey which may need to penetrate all parts of the building structure. By its definition, aggressive inspection techniques will be needed to break through walls, ceilings, cladding and partitions. This may lead to the spread of debris including asbestos. Because of the nature of the investigations to be carried out, Demolition and refurbishment surveys should only be conducted in unoccupied premises to minimise any risks to members of the public or employees on the premises.'
Hope this definition will help you understand the intrusiveness :-)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
This is normal practice and you should not be alarmed. the idea being that ALL asbestos is discovered as a type 3 is a refurbishment/demo survey and all asi is to be found and removed beforehand.
put it this way, if they did not find a hidden wall and demolition guys started and found it the time and cost and safety is put at risk
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Posted By Barry Cooper
Thanks to every one for your replies.
As some of you commented, maybe they should have sealed the area, as they don't know whether there is Asbestos beforehand.
At least I will get them to clean up the debris
Barry
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Barry
Any type 3 survey correctly done is going to produce significant damage. This is why it is so important to define clearly what you are wanting to do post survey. If it only refurbishment than you need to define the areas to be surveyed, ie those where intrusion during refurb. will take place. If demolition is definite then the mess is not a real issue.
The problem is that this survey has been undertaken prior to any decision on what to do. An Asbestos Management Plan should have been sufficient in this situation and would been satisfied the due diligence inquiries during sale.
Bob
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