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Posted By L.E.A.H
Ive got a job interview (2nd stage) and Ive been asked to do a presentation on the subject of ADR.
While I know a little of the transportation of dangerous goods, this is not one of my strongest subjects.
What are your opinions on what I should talk about in this presentation, has any body got any powerpoints I could use?
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Posted By Mick154
ADR = European Agreement, Concerning the International Carriage of Dangerous Goods By Road
there is also an agreement for Rail, and Waterways mode of transport
It is for the safe transportation of dangerous goods, from the packaging, loading, transport unit, labelling and driver awareness. All drivers under this banner have to re-sit the test every five years
I have a presentation and course that I delivered some time back but not at home to find it out for you (sorry), so I suggest that you look at the two links I have added and cherry pick your information
http://www.unece.org/tra...sh/001%20E_introvol1.pdf
http://www.unece.org/tra...009/English/Foreword.pdf
Also bring in the fact about DGSA for safety information and advice
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Posted By Pez Hargreaves
I deliver dangerous goods awareness trg, and could help you with some presentation material, for example placarding and marking of vehicles, different classes, limited quantities, safety equipment etc
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Posted By L.E.A.H
Can somebody tell me a simple method of showing whether ADR applies, im tying myself up in knots.
I think my potential employees (from info Ive managed to gain) only transport resins and paints in low volume tins etc in a small van to their customers.
Is it just a case of using the table that lists dangerous substances and their UN numbers in section 3.2, if a product is not in here it is not a dangerous substance?
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Posted By Pez Hargreaves
L.E.A.H Applying ADR depends on a few requirements, for example if the solvents are under a certain amount (Limited Quantities Chapter 3.4)then, generaly ADR does not apply i.e the driver would not require an ADR licence, equipment, Instructions in writing etc. If the solvent were in larger receptacles then you would have to look at the load thresholds in chapter 1.1.3.6.3, most solvents come under packing group III, so you would be able to carry up to 1000 litres without the regulations coming into full, there would be a few requirements i.e. 2 kg fire extinguisher. However to answer in full you need the UN number(s) & receptacles sizes.
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Posted By L.E.A.H
Is it shortly going to be a legal requirement in this country for Dangerous goods notes to be sent with all consignments, however this I am not sure of so if you could clarify this it would be a great help.
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Posted By L.E.A.H
Can somebody clarify the following product UN 2735 using the ADR tables.
The limited quantity is LQ7 (5 inner and 30 overall) but the small load exemption is only 20ltrs (transport category 1).
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Posted By Dave Wilson
LQ 7 for this UN means a maximum quantity is 5l in any one container and as max of 6 x 5l Containers is each pack = 30 litres
However you can have more than 1 pack as long each does not contain mare than 30L with 5 litre containers inside the overall pack
So if you want to transport 200litres in one conatiner (1 Drum)then cant send it as LQ and Full ADR applies
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Posted By Dave Wilson
PS. Small loads and LQ are different
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Posted By L.E.A.H
Thanks Dave,
So using LQ i can send as much as I want (say 2000lts in total) so long as each recepticle is small than 5l and each pack is no larger than 20ltr?
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Correct!
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Posted By L.E.A.H
Thank you, its all becoming clearer now.
Would I be correct in stating that small load would be referring to a single container then?
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Posted By Dave Wilson
1 can hair spray small load / 1000 cans shrink wrapped in trays of 20 cans x 50 trays shipped as LQ or 1000 Litres in one drum full ADR.
getting clearer?
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Posted By Pez Hargreaves
There is no requirement to carry a DGN under ADR if the load is Limited Quantities, also if the load is on a domestic journey and you have not exceeded the table in chapter 1.1.;3.6,however the consignor still has to inform the carrier so that they can determine the load status, (so it is easier to carry a copy) under IMDG (Sea Regulations) you need a DG note regardless of the size of the load.
I think you may have some confusion on UN 2735, for Packing Group I the LQ threshold is 0, for PG II the LQ is 1 Litre, and for PG III the LQ is 5 Litres.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Pez I think its the broad principle and not carriage of DG for this particular UN Number as there is more to it as you are obviously aware.
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Posted By L.E.A.H
Now youve confused me ?
Using the chart UN 2735 is packing group III, LQ7 and TC 1???????????????
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Posted By Pez Hargreaves
Sorry to clarrify, if the UN 2735 is PG I then there is no exemptions under LQ. If the PG is II then the LQ is 22 which is 1 Litre, if the PG is III then the LQ is 7 which is 5 Litres. So for PG I this would equate to Transport Category 1 and you can carry 20 Litres without coming under the regs in full for PG II this would equate to 333litres, before you come under the refs in full, for PG III this would equate to 1000 Litres.
give me a ring if you want me to clarrify in full 01469553602.
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Posted By Pez Hargreaves
I don't mean to confuse you, I was just trying to answer to this specific UN number as I think you may have read the book wrong.
Dave, I agree the priciple you mentioned is right I just thought this required clarrification for this specific UN number, as the info you supplied is incorrect.
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Posted By L.E.A.H
Thanks Pez much appreciated
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Posted By L.E.A.H
Sorry to be a pain but is it only limited quantities (LQ3) that have to be marked with the un number?
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Posted By Pez Hargreaves
Each package should be clearly marked with the UN number of the goods as shown in chapter 3.2 proceeded by the letters UN, if there are different UN numbers in a package then all the UN numbers should be displayed or the letters "LQ". This information should be displayed in a diamond 100mm x 100mm, the width of the line marking this diamond is to be 2mm, the numbers should be at least 6mm high.
The diamond can be reduced in accordance with the size of the package.
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Posted By Pez Hargreaves
If the goods are not being transported as LQ then the packaging will be UN approved i.e drop tested, stack tested etc, you will find that the UN number and markings are generally marked on the package for you, however the UN number is still required eVen if it is not going as LQ.
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Posted By L.E.A.H
Pez/Dave
How does exemptions come into play if a load carries various dangerous goods?
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Posted By Pez Hargreaves
If a load is being transported as LQ as we discussed, then the vehicle can be loaded in theory up to the axle limits with the product, i.e LQ 7 = 5 litres, package can be no more than 30 kg/lts or 20 kg/lts if shrink wrapped.
Another exemption is in the load threshhold table chapter 1.1.3.6 of ADR, an easy exampple would be petrol, petrol would come under Transport Category II which is Transport Category 2, the amount you can carry here is 333kgs this table allows for relaxations to the regulations. You really need the ADR books if you are dealing with many products. If you know the sizes and limits etc of the goods because they are not going to change often give me a ring and I can explain what you require, its easier.
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Posted By Pez Hargreaves
that should read Packing Group II
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Pez me old mate, I dont think people out really understand there is a lot to this ADR malarky, just to confuse things more dont forget the Tunnel Codes, Transport categories , Packing Groups, Special Provisions, placarding and marking of vehicles, packages, packaging, tanks, IBC, standards for packaging and packages, overpacks, security for certain DG, Security plans, training, emergency equipment vehicle standards and it goes on.
To anyone out there I would really suggest that if you are not a qualified SQA DGSA do not attempt to answer questions around this subject with a DGSA as it is a minefield unless you do it daily.
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Posted By David Passmore
LEAH
As you state that the presentation is for interview purposes, I suspect that time restraints may dictate what content will be in your presentation. I do not think that an over complicated presentation would be suitable for interview purposed.
You have not indicated the time limit (if any) for your presentation, therefore it is difficult to determine the amount and type of content that would be suitable and relevant.
Could I suggest if your time is limited, that as well as highlighting the legal aspects of the topic, it may be beneficial to include 'site and/or product specific' elements to the presentation which will also indicate to the interviewer that you are aware of the company's operations.
Just a thought - good luck anyway,
DP
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Posted By Pez Hargreaves
Dave,
you are right it is very hard explaining ADR queries on the forum. A valid point.
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