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#1 Posted : 22 April 2009 14:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By AHS
Apparently about one child is killed a year by falling gravestones. Therefore is this acceptable as I understand acceptable risk is sometimes measured by probability involving fatalities in Road Traffic Accidents.

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#2 Posted : 22 April 2009 14:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By safetyamateur
I don't think any death or injury is acceptable. It's the risk of death/injury that we wrestle with.

Are you writing a dissertation?
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#3 Posted : 22 April 2009 14:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
About 2,500 people a year die in RTAs, it not acceptable but some might call it tolerable. We are prepared it seems to tolerate such deaths with very few interventions to reduce the level of deaths on our roads.
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#4 Posted : 22 April 2009 14:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs
There is a huge amount of money spent trying to reduce road deaths. There comes a time though where it becomes disproportionate.

Most road deaths are down to road users making bad decisions, sometimes wilfully.

I am not sure I understand why children swing on headstones - if that is the mechanism of death (I simply don't know), but yes, I guess the same logic has been applied otherwise there would have been a better solution sought than wooden staking.
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#5 Posted : 22 April 2009 16:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By John J
As part of the Lancashire Occupational Health and Safety Group, yesterday, one of the members gave a short explanation of the practicalities of the testing and reason for it.

He said the test involved pushing the gravestone with minimal force to see if it would topple. Wobbling was not an issue and stones would not be laid down because of this.

The stones most likely to fail appear to be ones placed in the last 50 years as stone masons of dubious character did not use non-ferrous ties within the stones and these have now corroded.
He also reported that copper pipe and araldite had been used to cut corners and save money.

When considering the risk of it toppling he suggested we may wish to consider those who may be older who woild use the stone as support after tending the grave and getting up.

My Mother in Law takes my two year old with her when tending her mothers grave and he is staying over. He wouldnt 'swing on the stone' but could be injured if it was used as a support and fell.

It was a very thought provoking interlude to a great discussion on sensible risk management as presented by the HSE.

John
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#6 Posted : 22 April 2009 17:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By AHS
Wouldnt the unacceptable risk come from the larger memorial type items say those more than a metre tall weighing greater than 20 kgs.

I thought that bracing every headstone personally was overkill- excuse the pun.
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