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Posted By PhilP
Like Ricka and RM Diss Ex-Rock.
My how things have changed since walking through the gates at Catterick all those years ago.
The consultancy sounds an interesting propersiton.
Phil
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Posted By Francis E S Hone
This is gonna be a large top heavy firm 2 platoons already and growing?
Frank
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Posted By Ray Hurst
Frank/Dave
All I will say is the company mission statement needs to be "Swift and Bold."
Ray Hurst
Immediate Past President
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Posted By Francis E S Hone
Nice one ray we could Add Black & Green the finest colours ever seen.
Frank
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Posted By justgossip
Hang on lads, 44th of foot as just arrived.
I have so got to agree with above comments.
There are days when I think that civvies are aliens.
The plus side. With just a little work you are head and shoulders above the rest. if you get stuck in, then you are a god.
But I do wish managers could manage. it would make job easy.
I use my infantry training extensively to get the job done.
The 5 P,s.
Remember to duck
Put the brew on
Turn up, and then turn up on time.
be confident
Tell em how it is
Own up to the clanger, then put it right
A days pay = a days work
Laugh, stay cool
train, train, train, train
stand shoulder to shoulder
One that civvies are oblivious to :
Do NOT repeat your errors, learn from them
Yeah, nice work lads, good to see we are leading from the front and still taking the mick
Pompadour ( 3rd battalion R.A. )
The best a man can get.
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Posted By ScotsAM
It'd be dead easy for making the brews.
NATO standard anyone?
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Posted By b12
Had to stop the NATO brew since free dental care is not included in (my) civi life!
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Posted By Pete Sutton
Ex Staffords and RMP meself... used to work for a private consultancy and would say that half th eworkforce were either ex army or police
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Posted By clairel
Well I am gobsmacked! Haven't read the entire thread as it just became monotonous civvy bashing. Something worryingly Masonic about it all tbh.
I cannot believe the prejudice on here from ex-forces.
Don't forget you lot slating 'civvies'. YOU are all civvies now too!
Personally I have known some great ex-forces people and some complete idiots who were ex-forces.
Just because some of us haven't been in the forces it doesn't mean we can't fill in a form, or take instruction, or have discipline, or work hard or make it into the office when it's snowing!
What a load of nonsense. You should be ashamed of yourselves for believing such prejudiced rubbish.
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Posted By Elfy
I don't believe it is rubbish. Generally speaking I have worked with several ex military and I found them to be very well organised, disciplined, good at getting the job done and sorting out any problems on the way without having to keep asking me for direction.
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Posted By clairel
Right so all civvies are rubbish and all ex-forces are great.
...and you don't think that's warped thinking?
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Posted By ScotsAM
Maybe you were cut out for a military service claire but haven't enlisted yet.
There's an idea in there if you're still considering a change of career ;)
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Posted By Andrew W
Sorry clairel but I do tend to agree with the majority of comments above. Its not so much that ex forces are great and civvies aren't its just that ex forces personnel seem to have a different outlook on life and problems in general.
On leaving my regiment and starting a job in civvy life as a shopfloor labourer many years ago I couldn't believe the attitude of many of my co-workers where if there was a problem everybody sat down and waited for somebody else to sort it. I continued to maintain my forces attitude and enthusiasm and in not too many years became an operations manager.
Needless to say I moved into H&S as that had been my true calling all along as poicies procedures and common sense attitudes to problem solving etc come naturally to ex forces personnel as due to excellent training they become second nature.
Andy
(ex 13/18 RH (QMO) since amalagamated)
NATO Standard for me please.
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Posted By ScotsAM
Could it be that the outlook that the forces instill is the same outlook an H&S professional should have?
It's not so much a case of civvy bashing as just bashing those who don't look at things our way whether or not we're ex-forces.
Would you agree claire with the comments made in general about poor management etc?
Maybe it's just that H&S and military style thinking are very much alike which is why there's a high percentage of ex-forces in our industry.
Whether a life long civvy or ex-forces, I'd still encounter the poor management etc that frustrates me day to day.
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Posted By clairel
I am a wee bit too old for a career in the forces and I don't want to die for anyone let alone my country!
I know loads of pro-active people who do not sit around waiting for someone else to sort out their problems or to tell them what to do.
I'm not what you lot consider to be a typical civvy and yet I am no different to others I know.
I have met many good ex-forces people but I have also met many who are alcoholic, violent and lazy.
Luckily I think everyone is different and don't judge people by whether they are ex-military or not.
I've never been the in the military but I have never sat on my arse and expected the world to hand itself on a plate to me. I'm adventurous and proactive in both my private and work lives.
You lot are doing nothing to enhance the poor view that many have of ex-military. The whole idea that you are somehow better than everyone else becuase you have been in the military.
Well I guess you lot had better believe it becuase no one else does!
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Posted By Guderian3
Have to agree with Clare.
I'll pin my flag to the post - I'm ex as well, but light blue - used to fix noisy things painted green/grey.
But now sufficiently removed from my past life and had my brain reprogrammed to normality.
Lots of good things about us ex forces types, but many quite offending comments posted here too, in my view, to people who have never worn the colours. You don't have to be military to have a brain, discipline and do things on time etc
Please guys, get over it - its a job when all said and done. Move on.
But it has to be said why would you want to wear a green suit, look like a tree and smell (you know what they say - where the army goes the pong goes).
As for ex matelots - bobbing around in aluminium tin cans is no way to lead a life, taking weeks to get anywhere - and when you get there you only have a rowing boat and a pea shooter.
So much easier, putting the petrol in, kicking the tyres and passing comment 'It will do a trip' - then quickly heading back to the crew room for a cup of Standard Nato, for a couple of hours while Captain Biggles goes off on his jolly. Even better sending the officers off to war, and not having to live in a muddy hole while some foreign national uses YOU for target practice.
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Posted By clairel
How can I find out why my post was removed?
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Posted By Dave Chapman
Prior to starting a career in the offshore oil industry in 1983 I spent 6 years as a Marine Engineer in the Royal Navy (we didn't have aluminium ships then) I certainly don't remember safety being of a concern then.I suffered some hearing damage working in engine rooms not wearing hearing protection (it was available but it wasn't cool to wear it) As for lifting & rigging that was very much is this rope strong enough ?? & giving Matelot's guns was just plain silly.
However at least the discipline halped me with my oil career but the hours nearly killed me 12 hours a day 7 days a week. I was used to 9-4 plaing cards in the NAFFI home most weekends & sometimes mending ships.
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Posted By Linda Crossland-Clarke
I did a stint with BFBS, so can I be your communications person?
The Fantasy safety team - LOL.
Linda
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Posted By Anthony Edwards
Have read through the entire thread and didn't think it came across as a civvie bashing exercise!
I have found the most important transferable asset is a thick skin!
Was working as a consultant but just made redundant, thinking of setting up on my own.
Former Bootneck
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Posted By Al..
Interesting thread. I have employed some excellent ex-forces people in my time but I have also made some mistakes and taken on people who struggled to make the transition to the civilian workplace. Some of the sentiments posted here, if expressed at interview would make me have doubts about recruiting. The can-do attitude of many ex-forces personnel can be just what is needed provided it is combined with patience and an appreciation of why others might not be similarly motivated and need to be encouraged, persuaded and often helped.
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Posted By Sharastani
If you include PIRA count me in.
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Posted By garyr
"Posted by golam on Thursday, 14 May 2009 at 20:21
Our client HSE Manager is an ex military man he treat any H&S violator on site as a criminal using bad words for them and keep them standing on open sun light while investigating their violation. is this treatment will pass positive message to labour or negative what your says."
Hmmmmmm, where you thinking of setting up your new firm guy's? (tongue firmly placed in cheek)
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Posted By Merebimur
Ex 15/19th The Kings Royal Hussars.
Sadly now amalgamated.
"Merebimur"
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Posted By Pete48
What is this? A military re-union?
Whilst there are undoubted attributes attached to those with experience gained whilst dodging bullets they are no more or less a standardised route to success than any other background.
I wouldn't want any "consultancy" with the ethos and culture displayed on this thread anywhere near my H&S programmes, it would wreck them.
The good are good wherever they come from. The bad are bad regardless of how long they may have been serving any master. The foot soldier is a foot soldier whether wearing a battalion badge or a CSCS card. At other times we are just on the wrong bus whoever we are. Being able to identify the best approach is what succeeds.
Civvies can learn a lot from ex-mil and ex-mil as much from civvies. Is there prejudice? Possibly although it is more likely just a lazy perception. But it is both ways, read this thread to see it.
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Posted By Al K
Tea: Mary Poppins
Coffee: Julie Andrews please,
Crack On!
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Posted By EI
There are a few "lanterns" and "sandbags" on this thread!
Ex RAF. Yes, skills picked up in the military have served me well in Construction EHS. Got to admit though. Met some ex military EHS people that I would not employ. Some just do not seem to be able to adapt when they leave the forces. Other hand, met some excellent ones as well.
Being honest, same applies to those non-military EHS people I have worked with. Some excellent and some who can not adapt when switching from a trade, etc, to EHS.
EI
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Posted By ScotsAM
Got to say, there's a lot of people having a cabby at each other with this thread.
On my chinstrap after reading through all the new posts.
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Posted By Andy F
When I am recruiting I always look for ex services - ran many a NEBOSH programme out of Aldershot - (Resettlement programmes) and aquired some great staff and associates(reliable & practical too)
Andy F(Salvus)
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Posted By bill.keating
Ex submariner here...
I would have to agree that having served in a disciplined and close knit environment can be very helpful in a health and safety role.
That said I constantly suffer many of the frustrations already mentioned in this thread.
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Posted By Lee Mac
Personally I think you all have had it fairly easy on the job front.
By the sounds of it a nod, wink and trouser leg slighly short and you are in the door.
Has anyone had any experience switching from the Salvation Army to civ street EHS.
;-)
Lee
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Posted By sonshine
best laugh i've ever had on here - i'm ex-REME recy-mech.......and no its not our fault things break down, we were there to help. a bit like now. greatly under-valued as HnS advisors by many
please can i do something in your company? other than work with the CQMS......
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Posted By sonshine
actually....looks like there may be a few people here who need to be "posted and promoted". is there anyone who used to work for "manning and records" so we can have a chuckle at their expense???......
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Posted By Jellie
Being firmly from Civvie Street this post made me nearly fall off my chair with laughter!
I work for a consultancy featuring 99% ex-mil and all the comments about not following instruction, why can't they just do as they are told, blah blah blah sounds just like them!
Hysterical! They all think they are something special too!
If you've left the military you are firmly back on civvie street. Get over it boys!
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Posted By IOSH Moderator
We have let this thread run on... and on... and on... but are still no nearer to establishing a legitimate debate on workplace health, safety or environmental issues.
So we are now locking it under AUG 1.
Regards
Jonathan
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