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#1 Posted : 21 May 2009 08:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By GavinR Hi, i have a few MSDS sheets coming through from sister plants in US for substances they produce on site. These are only in a US format. The MSDS has the component parts listed and guide percentages but not confirmed. I have used ASL and now COSHH essentials to help get the general controls however the question i have is how do you apply the R phrases to this substance? It is made up of 11 chemicals which all have a range of R phrases assigned. If i apply all the R phrases i have 13 R phrases for this substance. Some R phrases are assigned to chemicals that are no more than 4% and some even as low as 2%. I do not wish to discount these simply from their low %. Does anyone have any advice please?
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#2 Posted : 21 May 2009 09:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Gavin You could try the Chemical Hazard Communication Society: http://www.chcs.org.uk/ Paul
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#3 Posted : 21 May 2009 09:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By NJS Pardon my ignorance in chemical processing/use but what are MSDS sheets? NJS
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#4 Posted : 21 May 2009 10:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By paulw71 I cannot believe you have asked that question.
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#5 Posted : 21 May 2009 10:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nick Patience No such thing as a stupid question - that is how we learn. MSDS = Materials Safety Data Sheet, they are a requirement from OSHA (Occupational Health and Safety Administration in the USA)for Hazard Communication.
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#6 Posted : 21 May 2009 11:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh If you have many substances this is called a "preparation". Look at the CHIP ACOP and also the Approved Supply List. The CHCS as mentioned above is also useful. Not being funny but I have to say that if you have to ask these questions, you should not be authoring these MSDS's. There are companies and also software which will do this for you. It could be money well spent in terms of legal consequences in the event of HSE enforcement or following an incident involving a customer.
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#7 Posted : 21 May 2009 11:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel your supplier, even where they are a sister company, should supply these to you in the appropriate form even where import is only for your use Where you convert one system to another you MUST be competent to do so - noting that disease can wait a long time to manifest itself and then come back to bite you previous postings have given you some good advice so please follow it whilst at the same time put the onus back to the supplier
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#8 Posted : 21 May 2009 11:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi Yes, any supplier to UK and Europe must supply substances/preparations that comply with EU MSDS requirements To assign risk phrases, it is mostly( not always) dependent upon the proportion / concentration of the ingredient in preparations. This requires competence. However, I very much doubt that one cannot carry out a COSHH assessment using a US compliant MSDS as the MSDS will still highlight the hazards and precautions to be taken--only that it will not have the EU risk and safety phrases.
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#9 Posted : 21 May 2009 12:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By GavinR Hi, Thanks for your replies. I have used the approved supply for all the individual chemicals as stated in the original posting and through this i have the R phrases, etc identified. It was a question of how the % of the chemical within the final product effect the overall R-Phrasing and controls for the product. I have completed an initial COSHH based on the US MSDS format and our current controls are all engineering measures to reduce exposure during storage, handling, use and disposal. Personel monitoring will also be completed along with Health surveillance. I treating it as worst case scenario. I have asked many times before about the product of the MSDS in an EU format but having no progress onthis matter. I'm also having the powder A/B Classication tested for DSEAR purposes and again this is another reason why i need to have EU MSDS available. Thanks for the advice.
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#10 Posted : 21 May 2009 16:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham A very good guide to the compilation of safety data sheets is published by the Chemical Industries Association (www.cia.org.uk) Chris
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#11 Posted : 21 May 2009 16:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Remember that a risk assessment for COSHH based on risk phrases may not be a valid risk assessment. See paragraph 13 of the ACoP for COSHH on this. Chris
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#12 Posted : 21 May 2009 16:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi Hopefully, the implementation of GHS worldwide, in the fullness of time will make such issues obsolete! having said this, the US has been slower than EU to implement GHS! EU has implemented GHS via direct acting "CLP" regulation that that has been implemented in GB via CHIP 4 with a transition period of up to June 2015
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#13 Posted : 21 May 2009 16:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By b318isp My understanding under REACH is that the onus is on the supplier to provide this information to you on the basis that it is being used for its normal function (and if not, you have to obligation to tell them). As you have previously got nowhere on this in the past, you may have to escalate that there is non-compliance to EU requirements in this area, and as a result, you should not be using them. This may accelerate an action in the US to sort this out.
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#14 Posted : 21 May 2009 17:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Since REACH has been mentioned and these products are coming from outside the EU have the individual constituents been pre-registered? If not, as I understand REACH, until registration by the importer has been completed importation is illegal. Chris
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#15 Posted : 22 May 2009 10:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By NJS paulw71, sorry for not being up to date with you acronym system! I am fully aware of what data sheets are, i had just never heard of them being called MSDS's, again sorry! Nick Patience, thanks for your answer, I guess your name reflects your character.
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