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Posted By holmezy
Hi All,
bit of advice please.
At present, I work for, and I after H+S of a manufacturing / warehousing type organisation, however we also have a sub contracting part of the business that is involved in construction which is looked after by a seperate consultancy. Directors are looking to save a few £££ and have asked me if I could provide a service to the sub-con division. At present I don't have a lot to do with the CDM regs!
I did the dip about 3 years ago and the general cert about 5yrs ago, and have 25yrs plus experience in allsorts of engineering, but not civils/construction! Anyone know if there is a good course to go on or would I have to go back and do the NEBOSH Con cert? Would I have to do the whole of it? or could I skip the law module?
And before anyone suggests, I'll be contacting NEBOSH directly tomorrow, just thought someone may have some other advice re construction?
thanks
Holmezy
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Posted By Richard Altoft
Try APS Association of Project Safety who certify certain courses. Good knowledge of ACOP L144 is a good start and many consultants could lead you through CDM especially from a one company point of view in a short time for contractors obligations. CDM Coordinator role gets more complicated of course as does obligations of PC.
CITB site managers course (5 days)is a good one for practical aspects of site management but does not spend long on CDM itself
We offer CDM consultancy and several in house CDM courses but if you are only taker then would come a bit pricey.
R
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Posted By Leslie
Nebosh Construction Certificate would be my starting point.
Leslie
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Posted By Bob Youel
All the advice given previously is good so please follow it
Additionally I advise that you buddy somebody for quite a while at the same time thereafter you may consider yourself competent
One way to think about it is to consider how long it took you to become competent in your particular field and then you will realise how long it will take to be competent in construction noting that people die in construction!
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Posted By Neil R
I'm not sure why you feel you need to do a course, as a qualified safety practitioner your main skill is interpreting and applying safety law to the situation.
If you feel the need to do a course then i would suggest a CDM 2007 course as thats the only thing you wouldn't have covered in your dip, but a day spent reading and understanding the CDM regs would surely suffice.
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Posted By Michael Battman
I disagree Neil, a competent CDM-C needs to be fully conversant with the design process and the construction process as well as having an understanding of safety. This combined with experience of carrying out the role makes a good CDM-C.
Appendix 4 and 5 of the ACoP give more details
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Posted By Neil R
Indeed michael, however the original poster does not mention being asked to become a CDM co-ordinator.
He is a safety advisor at the mo and states he is being asked to provide a service to the civils company.
CDM-C is a completely different role than a safety advisor, having worked in civils/ construction for many years as a safety advisor, i advise on the CDM regs and whether compliance is satisfactory i do not and would not expect to be given any specific duties under CDM.
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Posted By Lee Mac
Neil hits it on the head a days course on the CDM Regs will open your eyes to what will be involved in your management of the CDM Regs.
From this you will know whether or not you are competent enough to take on the role.
You would need to elablorate on the company sub con speciality to allow us to provide you with a more insightful answer.
Lee
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Posted By PMW
Having done the General Certificate and Construction Certificate in 2008 and currently doing Unit A of diploma, I can only confirm that the Nebosh Construction Cerificate does not go into enough detail re CDM regs and you would need additional support/training. Don't have enough knowledge to advise what though. However should you decide to go down the Nebosh Const Cert route, your exemption from the Mgt paper which you passed with General Cert runs out after 5 years.
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Posted By Southerner
What is it they are asking you to take charge of?
The role of Client?
Or being in charge of the subcontractor side of the business?
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Posted By holmezy
Hi all,
thanks for the advice so far, albeit varied!!
I'm not being asked to be the client ie cdm-c, just to look after our sub-contract division ie supply ra's, method statements, site visits to monitor our chaps etc. Our chaps go on site as subbies to lay granite floors, cladding, pavers, kerbs etc. I think that "all" I need is a little more education re the cdm regs but happy to be advised otherwise!
Holmezy
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Posted By Neil R
I agree, a simple introduction to CDM and a good read through the regs, will be sufficient.
From the role your describing i.e sub-contracting, site visits, RA and MS, you are unlikely to come across CDM that much as the design and management aspect falls mainly on the principle contractor.
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