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Admin		#1 Posted : 28 May 2009 11:43:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Buzz Hi, I was hoping someone could advise. Notifiable projects are those that last more than 30 days or involve more than 500 person days etc. What about where you have a kitchen installation project (500 installs) where individually each piece of work isn't over the 30 days, but as a whole the project will take the year to deliver. Could or would this be notifiable? Thanks,
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Admin		#2 Posted : 28 May 2009 11:59:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Richard Altoft If for a domestic client then CDM does not apply. If each kitchen or group of kitchens is for a separate client or separate sites then I would consider these to be separate projects and each project subject to 30 days or 500 man days Does that help R
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Admin		#3 Posted : 28 May 2009 12:00:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Elfy Hi. Are the installations seperated by time, geography etc or do they roll through with lapover in the same building?
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Admin		#4 Posted : 28 May 2009 12:02:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By steven bentham Buzz I think you have answered your own question, i.e. 'a construction project with 500 kitchens'; i.e. one client, one tender document, one appointment, one job. Not 500 separate jobs which you have 500 separate tender documents & 500 separate contracts with 500 domestic clients!
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Admin		#5 Posted : 28 May 2009 12:06:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By SJA As the 'Project' involves the installation of 500 kitchens over a 12 month period, then Yes it is notifiable. I am assuming that this is a for a single client such as a local authority/housing association kitchen renewal programme, in which case the client should also have appointed a CDMC. No question in my opinion this is notifiable.
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Admin		#6 Posted : 28 May 2009 12:08:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Buzz Sorry, meant to elaborate. Yes the work is for one client, however, the addresses are all different. Once one installation has finished they go to the next address and start the next one. Geographically all different areas within one County.
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Admin		#7 Posted : 28 May 2009 12:26:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Elfy As the work is separated by time and geography I suspect that the work may not be necessarily notifiable but I would speak to the local authority for clarification.
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Admin		#8 Posted : 28 May 2009 12:51:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Ron Hunter Normal practice to "lump" this kind of LA/Housing Association work into Notifiable Projects in a way that suits the Client. This can be with respect to: Geographic Areas, Appointed Principal Contractor, =or "Hub" temporary accommodation and welfare facility. p.s. the statement "If for a domestic client then CDM does not apply" does not really hold true since the construction health safety and welfare regs were incorporated in CDM07.
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Admin		#9 Posted : 28 May 2009 13:35:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By SJA Buzz As per my earlier posting, regardless of the geographical spread, this is a single contract and is notifiable. SJA
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Admin		#10 Posted : 28 May 2009 13:39:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By SJA Also, having just looked at your company website, I am assuming that you are employed by the client, therefore CDMC will be needed before the contract award, and do not forget things like the provision of asbestos information to the contractors within the Pre Construction Information Pack...
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Admin		#11 Posted : 28 May 2009 14:04:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Samm T Hi Buzz, We had the same issue but with Mobile Phone Mast sites and spoke to the HSE and had a big discussion with 3 H&S professionals from the client and it was decided that because of the geographical locations we were told that this was not CDM notifiable.
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Admin		#12 Posted : 28 May 2009 14:14:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Southerner Who just suggested speaking to the local authority LOL.....your joking arn't you, all the one I have dealt with seems to have no idea about CDM when I try to tell them their duties. Half the time you can not even pin down as to who the actually client (name) is. However, this project will be notifiable, the F10 has an are to tick if the construction project has 'multiple addresses'
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Admin		#13 Posted : 28 May 2009 15:20:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Elfy Yes I suggested contacting the LA as my past experiences with the East Devon LA is quite positive.
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Admin		#14 Posted : 29 May 2009 09:16:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Buzz Interesting replies, thanks all! We spoke to a couple of LA's, one gave us a number in Basingstoke, which I bet was an HSE number; and the other told us to phone the HSE, which we already had! The HSE feel the project is notifiable and as the work is for one client, doing one type of work and is a rolling project, we're going to notify it.
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