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Posted By Brian M. Jones
Are new excavators supplied with a reversing alarm? Bearing in mind that an excavator can rotate through 180 degrees, which would allow the operator a possible clear view in the direction of travel. However, I'm sure that the operator will not do this on a regular basis. Can anyone let me know how this is managed on your site?
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Posted By FAH
Hi Brian
Would you mind sharing why you feel the need to ask about this?
Given the plant concerned, what it does & how much noise they make, that any working area really should be an absolute "no go" for pedestrians especially, & that associated plant should always be directed by a banksman [from a suitable distance] or even the excavator operator to ensure an adequate safety distance; I'm not sure of the context of the query.
Under the circumstances, a reversing alarm does seem rather superfluous.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Brian M. Jones
Hi Frank,
The question has been asked in the context that I'm based overseas and I would not like to embarrass anyone by naming the country. The reality of the situation is that I am unable to rely on pedestrians to keep clear of machinery and the operators aren't much better. There is the possibility of utilising a banks-man, but I'm not 100% sure that he would be diligent enough to create a safe area.
No matter how much we train the employees or sub contractors there is a definite lack of understanding of the risk involved in any process. However, if we have an automated reversing alarm at least it might give some warning.
I'm aware that the modern machines in the UK are fitted with CCTV to enable an all round view for the operator. The workforce operating around machinery will be fully aware of the dangers involved of working in close proximity to such an item of plant.
In addition the safety specification for the contract states that all plant must have reversing alarms fitted.
Regards
Brian
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Posted By al wood
segregate the working area so no pedestrians cannot enter, erect signage such as no entry.
post signage on the machine - danger keep clear, do not approach machine etc etc.
a reversing alarm in my opinion would not be practicable due to the 360 rotation of the machine.
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Posted By Brian M. Jones
The 360 issue has crossed my mind. However, I'm operating under OSHA rules, which tend to be rule based rather than risk based.
Please see comment from the OSHA website below.
The scope of paragraph 1926.602(a) does not include track mounted excavators with rotating housings such as the Hitachi 400 described in your letter. However, moving an excavator in a direction in which the operator's view is obstructed, without an alarm or an observer to signal the operator when it is safe to do so, is considered by OSHA to be an industry recognized hazard and citable under Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.
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Posted By FAH
OK Brian
If you're operating under OSHA Rules it changes the whole game! As you identify, it's rule, not risk, based or focussed. Additionally, the enforcers have almost no remit or ability to provide any amelioration or advice as to what may be considered acceptable - it's far worse than the UK on that score alone.
I still see no possible value in an alarm on an item of plant such as you quote as to be sufficiently audible over the machine itself [& any other ambient noise] it would have to be similar to a flood or air-raid warning siren on the basis that if people can't hear the machine you must really up the DBs! If you're anywhere that automatically dives for cover when they hear these things it will be somewhat counter-productive to say the least!!
If the enforcers won't accept your existing procedures [inc people exclusion]; then perhaps you could more usefully investigate the provision of cameras that have the ability to sense & warn of heat sources [like people] in the immediate vicinity?
Good luck.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Rich Bannister
Just to add my tuppence worth, from 6 years working on oil and gas pipelines across the world:
We always insisted on a "motion" alarm not a reversing one. These are activated whenever the machine is in motion, regardless of direction.
[If the machine can turn through 360 degrees, which way is backwards??]
Obviously the ideal situation would be to segregate people and equipment but this isn't always possible (due to job factors, the cultures of the workforce you're working with, etc.)
Correctly installed alarms can easily be heard over the rumble of the engine.
After working nearby to excavators for some time you become accustomed to the sound of the engine and "deaf" to it.
My person opinion is that motion alarms are a must.
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