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#1 Posted : 09 June 2009 11:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert_N HI, I know that many comment have been made about the asking of RIDDOR or not but this one requires more experience which is what you lot have. An employee is off work with a broken foot and during a sickness review commented that they may have done it at work but can’t be sure and when asked to explain the follow was recorded. I missed the bottom step of the access ladder and landed heavy on my foot but it was nothing much, I didn’t fall or think anything more of it. I didn’t get pain in my foot unit two days later so I haven’t reported it until now. The incident happened on a Wednesday and the pain in the employee foot started late on Saturday but the employee says this is the only thing that they could think could have caused it. The employee has been off for six weeks and a few days so will undergo a review on their return which I believe they will credit the time off due to a work related injury so my question is what would any of you do?
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#2 Posted : 09 June 2009 11:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Elfy On the information you have supplied I would be considering reporting the injury under RIDDOR. Before I did so however I would speak with the local authority for their input, remembering that such reporting is time sensitive.
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#3 Posted : 09 June 2009 12:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis If employee is claiming that it happened at work, then it's definitely reportable in RIDDOR terms.
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#4 Posted : 09 June 2009 12:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Altoft Yes report and include the facts as above.Quite plausible - I broke an ankle and when X rayed was asked about old break to bone in foot. I never knew I had one but did have pain in foot some three years earlier that took a long time to go away after tripping down a step R
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#5 Posted : 10 June 2009 13:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safe System Had a similar one recently. Employee claimed he had accident at work hence the reason he was off for the rest of his notice period. (over 3 day) no witnesses, no report made and all of this on a busy site. spoke to HSE ... as mentioned above - due to the fact the person CLAIMS it happened at work it therefore becomes reportable (if it falls into RIDDOR guidance)
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#6 Posted : 10 June 2009 14:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Southerner Sounds like he probably done it playing football at the weekend. No doubt will end up going for compensation and the HSE will agree that there was a better method for doing the works than using a ladder. Happy days!
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#7 Posted : 10 June 2009 15:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill01 Not reportable. Was it recorded in the accident book at the time if not then nor reportable. If you you start to report and log accidents without being able to carry out an investigation and record circumstances at the time of the incident how are you going to defend claims arising. If for example someone says I slipped on water on the floor last week and therefore I'm claiming for injury how are you going to defend it. Ofcourse HSE or local authroities will say report it it's in their interest.
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#8 Posted : 10 June 2009 15:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By TT Curious. How will not logging or reporting an accident PREVENT claims from arising? The filing of a RIDDOR report does not lead to admitting liability, nor is it about blame. It is merely a statement of the facts surrounding an alleged accident. You can only do an investigation in so far as the individual circumstances allow...and sometimes they won't or don't allow very much! In all fairness, the initial incident as described sounds like exactly the kind of thing that anyone of us might do...and certainly wouldn't go running for the accident book at that time. Assuming you can't refute his description of events, it becomes a work-related accident that resulted in over 3 days off work. Reportable...despite your potentially well placed misgivings.
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#9 Posted : 10 June 2009 15:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh I have managed safety in a blue chip environment (chemicals sector), in organisations with VERY low accident rates. Their (and my) response would be very simple - if it wasn't reported at the time, it didn't happen at work. He can claim away to his heart's content - you can't claim for an accident which did not happen at work. My advice, based on considerable experience, is to stand firm and reject this "accident". You can publicise this through safety committee etc - then watch the accident reporting rate go up. By the way folks it is a waste of time asking the HSE if it is reportable - they always say "report it to be on the safe side". What they fail to understand (and, amazingly, some professionals on this site fail to understand) is that a reportable RIDDOR is often a "KPI". You cannot make valid comparisons when some people report correctly, some report "to be on the safe side" and some deliberately under report. We are paid to make decisions and judgements like this. IMHO and considerable experience only report if you are sure it is reportable.
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