Posted By Martyn Hendrie Hossam, If you are in the UK a subcontractor should not be submitting a "safety plan" that is the responsibility of the PC.

Posted By Martyn Hendrie Bob, He has to plan his work (Risk Assessments/ Method statements/ Co-ordinates with others, etc.) but where does he have a requirement to "produce a plan"?

Posted By Martyn Hendrie IMHO on a notifiable project there should only be ONE plan which should be produced by the Principal Contractor and followed by all other contractors on the project. The idea of each contractor producing his own plan is a recipe for disaster. The regs say contractors should "plan, manage and monitor" their works. Not produce a written H&S Plan.

Posted By Nick Roarty Martyn, Thank you for your humble opinion, but that's the problem with forums/emails; individuals interpretation of what others write. I purposely called the documents by different names, i.e. Construction Phase Plan (legal requirement) and safety plan (contractual requirement on all my projects). Nowhere did I state there should be more than one plan in operation on site at any time. A couple of points to clarify: 1) The Construction Phase Plan is developed by the Principal Contractor prior to commencement of works on site. 2) The CPC should remain under constant review throughout the projects duration and should be updated as and when additional information becomes available. 3) All contractors and sub-contractors should provide information relevant to their particular workscopes to enable the Principal Contractor to update the Construction Phase Plan, as required. 4) The Construction Phase Plan developed prior to start on site will have no resemblence to the final version at completion.

Posted By Bob Youel Forget CDM for the moment as the contractor noted could be a window cleaner, a caterer etc The law requires us to have a management system in place irrespective of CDM and that management system requires a plan - that plan could be the plan being asked for I ensure that all subbies, suppliers and even volunteers that work for me irrespective of the CDM regs and inclusive of them have a suitable management system in place AS for the CDM plan; nowhere does is say that a subbie need not have a management plan - I would expect the PC to be in overall charge with their plan but I would expect others to plan and manage their areas properly and the PC uses his and their plan to ensure compliance all round Additionally the client can ask for what they want inclusive of management plans