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#1 Posted : 25 June 2009 11:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Malone Can an employer carry out eye/eyesight tests for staff operating VDU's in-house? If so, what qualifications are required for the person doing the testing to be a "competent person"? Would a Registered Nurse be able to do the test, if so would she/he need to have some additional diploma or certificate?
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#2 Posted : 25 June 2009 11:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By safetyamateur The answer's 'yes', John. But I don't know why anyone would want to do that, given all the services available from high street providers at reasonable prices.
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#3 Posted : 25 June 2009 11:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins I'm not so sure John, A nurse could carry out an eyesight test using something like the Keystone vision screener, but a full eye test is much more that a sight test. I would think that you would need a qualified optician to do that. Just my view though...
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#4 Posted : 25 June 2009 11:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi The guidance to the regulations is explicit that and eye-test in UK means a full eye-test that can only be carried out by an optometrist (or a doctor). Refer to question 4 at:- http://www.hse.gov.uk/msd/dse/faqs.htm and Guidance to regulation 5 of the DSE Regs. Vision screening tests are not an ‘eye and eyesight test’ and hence do not satisfy the DSE Regulations Vision screening is not designed to find those eye defects, such asinjury or disease, that may not at first affect vision. Where companies offer this facility, some users may be content with a vision screening test to check their need for a full sight test. However, employers must also provide the full eye and eyesight test specified in the guidance to those users who either choose at the outset to exercise their entitlement to the full test, or choose to do so after having had vision screening.
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#5 Posted : 25 June 2009 12:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Y Frustratingly, we are not allowed to directly quite the ACoP/Guidance but this says that the test must be carried out by either a registered ophthalmic optician, or a registered medical practitioner with suitable qualifications. As has previously been said, why not use one of the voucher schemes that are run by high street opticians. I have used them in preference for some time and they represent excellent value for money and greatly reduced admin costs and time.
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#6 Posted : 25 June 2009 12:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis Agreeing with Bob, unfortunately it has to be a registered ophthalmic optician, or a registered medical practitioner. Occupational Health Nurse is not qualified enough to perform the test.
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#7 Posted : 25 June 2009 13:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Malone Thanks for the comments. Most seem to think using opticians' Vouchers is preferable to in-house screening. I agree in principle, however COST is the issue. I reckon in-house screening will come in at half the cost per test of Vouchers. Even if 10% of those screened then have to go for full tests, the costs will still be lower. Another issue with Vouchers is that the employer has to buy them "up-front". A certain percent of staff wil take the voucher and then never use it - money wasted. Some responses mention eye health test as distinct from eyesight test. But in Ireland (and I assume in UK) the eye health test is available free under Health system, employer does not have to pay.
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#8 Posted : 25 June 2009 13:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel screening tests must be suitable and sufficient and unless you have an in-house ophthalmic optician, or a registered medical practitioner with suitable qualifications then I would not waste my time going other routes Talk to a profesional as I am sure that you can get a good deal e.g. staff can get their tests on a Saturday morning so you do not lose time where you would if they were in work
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#9 Posted : 25 June 2009 14:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi John, The guidance on regulation 5 requires that employers must also provide the full eye and eyesight test to users who either choose at the outset to exercise their entitlement to the full test, or choose to do so after having had vision screening. Therefore, you should not require DSE Users to undergo screening tests in lieu of the full eye-test if they do no wish to do so!
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#10 Posted : 25 June 2009 14:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi The vouchers if not used by an expiry date are not wasted, but can be exchanged for new ones--at least the ones from a popular high street chain can be. Latest College of Optometrists Code of Ethics and Guidelines for Professional Conduct- number 25. Work with Display Screen Equipment - The optometrist has a duty, when examining patients as part of their entitlement under the Health and Safety (Display Screen Equipment) Regulations 1992 (“The Regulations”), to carry out a full eye examination. http://www.college-optom...B&type=ethics_guidelines
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#11 Posted : 26 June 2009 09:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Malone While most posters seem to be against it, support for using vision screening is provided by the Irish H&S Authority (hsa.ie) who in their FAQ's state that - "It may also be carried out by a person (including a nurse) trained to use a vision-screening machine. The person operating the machine must know when to refer employees who do not pass the eyesight tests at the screening level to a doctor or optometrist." The above statement also implies that the tester does not have to be a qualiifed nurse, it seems anyone trained in using the machine is OK. Do the HSE follow the same line as HSA?
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#12 Posted : 26 June 2009 12:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Y John - sorry, I did not realise that you were in ROI and therefore screening may well meet the legal requirements. Under UK legislation screening can be done but 'users' can still insist on a full eye and eyesight test. I have found the vouchers that we use to provide excellent value and greatly reduced admin costs, and as already said they can be easily returned for refund if not used. I am paying £17 for a test and this includes the provision of a pair of 'vdu specs' if needed. Staff are also very happy with the service provided, which is always a bonus.
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