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#1 Posted : 23 July 2009 12:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By TL Hi, I am currently conducting a study into the effects of how the introduction of the RRFSO effected businesses from small to large organisations. Does anyone know if there is any research documents on this matter. TL
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#2 Posted : 23 July 2009 12:53:00(UTC)
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#3 Posted : 23 July 2009 15:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinw Knew this would come in handy http://www.communities.g...egulatoryreformorder.pdf It is: Initial Evaluation of the Effectiveness of The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 Fire Research 3/2009
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#4 Posted : 23 July 2009 19:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Hammer Anyone who believes it is 'bedding down well' has got to be bonkers..... Cue Dizzy Rascal song....
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#5 Posted : 24 July 2009 11:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By TL Martin / SBH Thank you for your reply. I have gone through the information you supplied and found it very useful indeed. Much appreciated. TL
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#6 Posted : 24 July 2009 11:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinw Hi TL you are most welcome. For the information of others who were involved with the recent debate on whether there should be an accrediting body for fire risk assessors, the document which I attached contains lots of independent organisations and fire services who voiced their support for such a scheme. Worth a read. Martin
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#7 Posted : 24 July 2009 17:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy F Hi TL et al For my sins I am the chair of IOSH Fire Risk Management Group and as part of that role I am asked to present a wide variety of differing topics on fire safety matters. Interestingly enough I delivered a presentation on Risk Assessor Registers at our networking event in Scotland in April. Link to presentations - http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...news_item&id=2617&sgid=6 I discussed the need or not, of such registers but more importantly who considers themselves appropriately competent to assess other person’s fire risk assessments and to accept them onto the register. It may be for instance that some Senior Fire Safety Professionals can indeed complete their own assessment, but do not have specific skills to assess others. As an NVQ assessor myself, I feel that it is vitally important that not only do I look for the required standard, but also pride myself in providing appropriate feedback and guidance to enhance the competence of those presenting assessments for review. As indicated in my presentation without an ACoP for fire we do not have sufficient formal codes to determine what a ‘suitable & sufficient’ assessment looks like or indeed define the levels of ‘competence’ of assessors. How then can a group of people representing those fire safety institutions/professions sit on high and determine what’s required to be included in a risk assessment to gain entry onto any register. It would also appear that some individuals making such judgements avail themselves on many a review panel to make such determinations – did they have to present their own assessments to be able to self appoint? My own personal thoughts are that whether we like it or not those responsible for appointing a fire risk assessor must do so, the same way we have been doing it for years in the construction sector, by vetting and monitoring those who are to or have conducted fire risk assessments. It is quite an eye opener for many of the attending delegates on the IOSH CPD ‘Fire risk assessment principles and practice’ course that I deliver when they realise that the ‘registered’ fire risk assessor that they engaged has presented little more than a check list written following a fire safety ‘inspection’ and has charged them through the nose! I have rattled on too long – apologies, do take a look at the presentations and if you would like my own(fourth down) in such a format that you can work through do respond on this site and I will be pleased to send a copy on. Andy Furness
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#8 Posted : 31 July 2009 17:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By TL Andy, Thanks for your lengthy reply. One of the main issues I have come across is the added outlay of businesses employing the services of an external Fire Assessor and that smaller companies would rather have a go themselves due to costs. Even the Fire Service and various advisories seem to steer smaller businesses to download simple Fire Risk Assessments from local Gov websites and get on with it, rather than employing a trained professional. I would have thought that it would have been steered by what the INSURANCE companies want to see happen more than anything else as they Will/Will Not payout for possible claims. To date, I have found no research that shows the general position sited by insurance brokers. Thanks TL
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#9 Posted : 31 July 2009 17:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By AHS Anecdotal evidence would suggest more fires.
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#10 Posted : 31 July 2009 19:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinw Anecdotal evidence could suggest anything.....
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#11 Posted : 31 July 2009 19:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By AHS Thats why its anecdotal - I think we should make all criminality self regulatory it would save money.
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#12 Posted : 31 July 2009 21:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun mckeever The fire risk assessment is principally about life safety, insurance companies are principally interested in property protection therefore the insurance companies do not place so much emphasis on the fire risk assessment. I have no issue with persons wishing to undertake the FRA themselves providing they understand that it is about life safety and getting it wrong potentially has serious implications. Trying to save a bit of money is the wrong reason for undertaking the assessment unless they are competent to do so.
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#13 Posted : 01 August 2009 09:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinw Great line AHS - making criminality self regulatory! Ooh me sides.
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