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#1 Posted : 27 July 2009 10:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By robert9 I’ve recently started in a new job and one of the tasks I’ve been given is to sort out the storage of chemicals and COSHH. There is no real structure to the way COSHH assessments are currently done. I’ve looked at COSHH essentials and have to say I find it pretty hard to use, has anyone got any other advice on putting together a structured approach to doing the COSHH risk assessments? Also there is one chemical that we currently use which is cleaning chemical (liquid) which contains 5-10% Naphtha (petroleum), hydrotreated heavy, which is classified as Carc. Cat. 2; R45. It is used to clean carpets etc. and the people using it wear marigold gloves. In my previous job using a material like this would have involved using a fume hood, gloves goggles and a specific handling procedure in place. I don’t want to rock the boat too much but as we can’t provide proper control measures for the use of this material I think we should stop using it. Any advice would be appreciated.
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#2 Posted : 27 July 2009 10:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Robert Don't know how much work it involves but have you considered using a contractor for COSHH Assessments? For example, Sypol have a very good system for producing easy to understand COSHH Assessment, subscription is not cheap. Ray
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#3 Posted : 27 July 2009 11:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By robert9 Thanks Ray, I'd love to get a contractor in to do it but feel I have to justify my position! Any other advice would be appreciated.
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#4 Posted : 27 July 2009 11:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Zunda Robert, sent you an email with a bit of info that may help. Peter.
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#5 Posted : 27 July 2009 11:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Robert I have sent you an e-mail direct. Chris
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#6 Posted : 28 July 2009 15:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick Robert, Why not start with the new HSE webpage. It even points out under "Which substances can be harmful?" that wet working can cause dermatitis. Chris P has often highlighted this to us on the forum
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#7 Posted : 28 July 2009 15:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Robert, You may need help from a competent occupational hygienist; you can find one here: http://www.bohs.org/reso...ame/1310/Web_edition.pdf Whoever you use, make sure they will visit your site to do the assessments as they cannot be done properly unless the tasks are observed closely to assess working practices, etc. Paul
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#8 Posted : 28 July 2009 17:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Risk assessment for skin exposure is not as simple as many assume. Just one example of why: The most common form of occupational skin disease is irritant contact dermatitis. This is almost always a chronic condition, i.e. builds over a long time, possibly years, and is the result of repeated exposures to many different chemicals, many of which will not have risk phrases and probably therefore will not even be on the safety data sheet. The cumulative damage is asymptomatic, i.e. you will see and feel nothing until the damaged skin is very close to breaking into clinical dermatitis. So simply taking one task and assessing this on its own may not indicate sufficient exposure to cause concern. However, if the worker then carries out other tasks, each with a low level of exposure to even a mild irritant, whilst no task on its own will cause concern, the cumulative effect, over time, could result in contact dermatitis. Bear in mind that the same skin will be exposed to irritants away from the workplace and these can contribute to the cumulative effect. Although the damage is asymptomatic, it is possible using what are termed skin bioengineering techniques to identify sub-clinical damage so that skin health surveillance can be used to prevent the damage accumulating with the resultant dermatitis. This is just one of the factors that make risk assessment complex. There are several others, but space on this forum is limited! Chris Chris
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#9 Posted : 30 July 2009 17:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Tanczos Robert9 - When you looked at coshh-essentials.org.uk did you also look at the direct advice topics or did you try to do the full coshh assessment? The advice for cleaning companies or degreasing etc. should suit you judging by the information you gave about the job/task you're trying to assess.
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#10 Posted : 01 August 2009 10:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By robert9 Thanks for all the responses. I think it's fair to say that COSHH isn't a simple as many people seem to think!
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#11 Posted : 02 August 2009 11:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By FAH Robert9 May I just make a comment on your previous responses? This is genuinely not aimed at you personally, but I'm simply using your thread as an example. As I read the posts, you stated that you felt that you must justify your position; but then go on to identify that you may not be sufficiently competent to do a good enough job. This is essentially the first level of recognition of doing something that could leave you very vulnerable to both Civil & Criminal consequences because you may not have the competence to do it sufficiently well - and you know it!. May I suggest that you find a copy of the "Fatty Arbuckle" case & apply that to your position. You may wish to get your employer to reconsider your respective positions with regard to external assistance as well as providing sufficient internal resources. Frank Hallett
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#12 Posted : 03 August 2009 11:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh This question re methodology for COSHH has been covered many times before (search threads?) - What are the hazards (eg risk phrases etc) - What is the form of the material - How is it used - Who is exposed - What are the routes of exposure - What is exposure of workers v any WEL etc - What are existing controls? Good enough? - Monitoring, if neccesary etc One point to watch out for. Don't get too carried away by the "contains XXX". Look at the classification of the overall mixture (known as a "preparation" in COSHH). This misunderstanding causes a lot of problems, with over exaggeration of risk. For instance, just because it contains a carcinogen, does not make it carcinogenic. It may be classified as eg harmful. This is determined by the rules for classification taking into account the concentrations and so on. Hope this helps.
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#13 Posted : 03 August 2009 11:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By A Campbell Hi Robert, Not stating the obvious... but have you had a check for a replacement with non or less hazardous than a carc ingredient?
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#14 Posted : 03 August 2009 22:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By robert9 Garyh, thanks for that constructive response, very helpful.
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