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Posted By Uday
Hi,
When QA/QC has got their hands full with their own qa/qc issues then why should they audit HSE department, when there is a full fledged HSE department with a Head of Department and more than 30 odd HSE professionals.
HSE has their own HSE plan duly approved by the client and internal HSE audits as well as inspection etc are in the client approved HSE plan and is being carried out as per the HSE monitoring plan.So where does QA/QC fit in and why? As HSE can manage on their own with regards to HSE audit then why QA/QC should audit HSE implementation,Good housekeeping and safe practices, Toolbox talks,safety statistics,reporting accident and near misses,Safety checks tools and tackles,Safety induction and training,MSDS, etc.
Our HSE is carrying out their own internal audit,therefore what value addition is QA QC going to give HSE? Besides is this a requirement that audit has to be carried out by QA/QC Manager.Thanking all in advance.Regards US
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Posted By Heather Collins
Obviously I know nothing about your company or situation. However I have known this in the past where a company has ISO 9001 accreditation. The H&S or Environmental Management Systems are a part of the company's overall management system and therefore subject to audit from QA. In fact their external ISO auditor would expect it.
The ISO 14001 auditor at my previous employer actually picked up on the last visit that we hadn't done an independent system audit for 12 months (I both ran the system and did the audits) and asked me to get one of the QA auditors to do so before the next visit.
Don't take it as criticism from the QA Dept - take it as a positive experience - why not offer to audit them in turn?
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Posted By Amjad Ata
Quality is about any activity that is part of the business (quality of operation, of commercial, of HR & of HSE as well).
So quality department needs to know that you are (HSE) in line with your own HSE system.
If it is ISO based systems then this is a requirement that should be met.
To avoid repetition consider integration
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Posted By FAH
Hi Uday
As well as the preceding comments, perhaps it should also be remembered that, as a basic guide to truly effective auditing, no-one should audit their own work if it's avoidable.
To illustrate this point more, consider this - although it's not truly auditing, it demonstrates the principle in question very well.
For Example; Would you expect a scaffolder who has erected a scaffold to be truly honest & tell you that there are actually some things that aren't right when he checked it? Or would you require an independant to check it to get a truer picture?
Before I find my house surrounded by an impenetrable fence of scaffold, I'm not insinuating anything about scaffolders; just using this as a very simple illustration of why audits should be independant.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Bob Youel
nothing wrong with the idea as long as the scope etc is well planned / structured and the QA people know H&S
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Posted By Coshh Assessor
An audit has more value (is more likely to find out useful stuff) if it is independent.
Incidentally why is everyone assuming Uday is in the HSE department? I read it that he was in the QA department and sees the workload as an imposition.
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Posted By Cliff Davis
QA will be auditing the system itself, not the actual process. It is irelevent to them whether say your working at height procedure works, just that you have the procedure in place and the mechanism for continual improvement.
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