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#1 Posted : 07 September 2009 16:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By AHS Quite often Clients disinstruct the designer before the project starts and either assume the duties themselves or get the Principle Contractor to Design/Build. The question is under those circumstances should the initial designers now disinstructed be placed on the F10 aswell.
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#2 Posted : 07 September 2009 16:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim It is my understanding that any person that contributed to a design becomes a Designer under CDM. As far as F10 is concerned that is just for notificatiion of the project to HSE and I don't think the HSE are too concerned if all duty holders are not on the F10?
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#3 Posted : 07 September 2009 17:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Liz Bennett The F10 is to provide information to the HSE about a project. I would recommend that if significant design has been done by some who are no longer engaged then their design decisions will have an impact on the choices others are free to make and they should be included. Perhaps put them in the end section that relates to others about whom HSE need to know. If the matter is one for enforcement then HSE will find out soon enough about who else is involved. Finally, why not tell HSE?!
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#4 Posted : 07 September 2009 18:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By holyterror72 I would have thought that the old designers wouldn't need to be included as you would issue a revised F10 with the new designers details on it. The HSE would have the past design teams details on the initial F10. If you were to change the Principal Contractor you wouldn't put the old one on as well would you, you revise the F10.
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#5 Posted : 07 September 2009 23:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter A key requirement of CDM is early Notification of the Project, and Schedule 1 of the Regs requires that the name and address of any designer already engaged be included. I would not suggest that you need re-notify where there is change or addition of Designer as this could be quite onerous. There are any number of "designers" involved in complex Projects, across various disciplines and specialisms, and I do not believe that the F10 was intended as a means to identify them all -that would be more a function of the pre-construction Information pack. I am slightly puzzled by the concept of a Designer being decommissioned "before the Project begins". The Project surely "begins" with a Design, and that design is usually settled before the appointment of (e.g.) the Principal Contractor?
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#6 Posted : 08 September 2009 08:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis AHS I presume you are here referring to the concept designers who are often employed at the pre-planning stage and then the detailed design work is done by others. Unless the original designer is rogated to the Principal Contractor, as often happens in Design Build, then you simply revise the F10 omitting mention of them as the PC is now the designer also. If the originating designer is still on board then they must continue to be notified along with the other designers. Bob
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