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#1 Posted : 14 September 2009 10:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis What training is required to show staff how to use fire extinguishers if required on a fire training session. Once used where would you be able to get refill if used as a demonstration one!
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#2 Posted : 14 September 2009 10:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Coshh Assessor If you want to give practical training, then you can use a trainer who will provide extinguishers for the purpose. Alternatively, since extinguishers need to be discharged and refilled / exchanged at intervals, you might be able to combine the servicing and the training. But you may decide you don't need to give practical training in which case you could show a video.
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#3 Posted : 14 September 2009 10:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis Thanks for quick reply.
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#4 Posted : 14 September 2009 16:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Nixon Your Fire Extinguisher servicing complany would refill them. However much better to request them to supply appropriate extinguishers on loan in advance of training. Alternatively use a trainer that can bring the extinguishers with them.
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#5 Posted : 14 September 2009 16:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Fred Pratley We tend to use the local fire brigade industrial training unit, who brings everything with him, including practical answers as most are/have been firemen themselves. They will be more then happy to advise and fees paid supports the local brigade! Fred
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#6 Posted : 14 September 2009 17:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By FAH Hi Jervis It will depend entirely on WHY the FEs have been provided! [Yes, I know it's to deal with fires - doh!]. Is the provision of FEs intended to be a "protective" measure to enable persons to achieve a place of safety [outside the building]; or is it to save the insurers money by attacking fires? The training to enable escape will very definitely NOT be the same as that for attackiong a fire. Frank Hallett
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#7 Posted : 14 September 2009 18:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinw You are right Frank, but the last time I was trained on how to use a fire extinguisher(a long time ago) it was simply how to put the fire out. At the time the trainer gave no input as to designating the training for either staying and fighting or as a delaying process to allow escape. For those of you reading this who actually train others on the use of FEs, do you charge more for one type of FE strategy training than another, or does that not enter the pricing equation?
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#8 Posted : 14 September 2009 18:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose Frank - I don't normally 'challenge' your posts but that seems a rather strange position to adopt. I can't see that the training would be substantially different for either of the 2 scenarios suggested. Fighting fires to save property goes MUCH further than saving the insurer money; surely. It can of course save entire businesses, and the jobs of employees of both that company and others that may depend on it.
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#9 Posted : 14 September 2009 19:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Joe McCluskey Hi Guys, The point of the exercise is to develop awareness. I developed and delivered the Fire warden/marshall inhouse training package ( 1/2 day) and arranged our fire extinguisher contractor to come along after and demo the extinguishers. There is a video from Safety Media which also demonstrates their use. Remember the guidance! - any bigger than a waste paper basket - leave it and get out. Use the extinguishers to aid escape. Joe
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#10 Posted : 14 September 2009 20:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By FAH OK folks, I'll attempt to clarify the underpinning reasons for my earlier statements! First though - Hi Phil, thanks for the compliment; however, I'm not going to get into a discussion here about the value of attacking a fire vs the value of evacuation by by-passing the fire. I've made my views as clear as posible on that in previous posts. Any fire trainer who'se worth the money must be able to take your FRA & the accompanying instructions & emergency procedures to determine what aspects of training you really require rather than simply do the "bog-standard" version of "Here is how to attack a fire with a FE". This is important 'cos, amongst other things for instance, you really don't want the trainer telling people to attack fires if all you want them to do is leave the premises asap. What this means is that the buyer of the training must ensure that it meets the needs specified in their own FRA; not assume that the trainer will provide the right stuff 'cos they're the trainer. Specifically on the FE, if you provide FEs to assist persons to get past a fire rather than knock it out completely, the extinguishing medium may need to be different; & the means of projecting it will need to be different to the standard "jet". This is one of those things that rumbles on, & on, & on because, when it comes down to it, there are as many points of view as there are people - and that is why the FRA MUST specify the expectations & especially the emergency procedures for that premises under those conditions. Frank Hallett
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#11 Posted : 15 September 2009 09:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis Thanks for all the help and advice very useful
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#12 Posted : 15 September 2009 09:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Can I pull you all back to the original question? It is not about the why's and wherefores but just about training for use of fire extinguishers and how to refill afterwards. Jervis wants an answer to his question not a debate about all the other good things to do with extinguishers. Rant over!
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#13 Posted : 15 September 2009 11:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phizzle Hi Jervis, To try and answer your question: It's a difficult one as it's all about competency - a topic that (rightly so) dominates a lot of threads on these forums. Unlike some regulations that quote specific requirements for training (i.e. First Aid Regulations) the Fire Reform Order is very vague, only advising that training is "Adequate". This is in line with most modern legislation and therefore - and you're not going to like this - it is up to your (risk) assessment to decide what is adequate. Personally, I would advise that training is conducted by someone who is a member of an organisation that helps prove his / her competency through CPD. In the case of fire safety, IFE (Institution of Fire Engineers) is one of the main ones. As a bonus, I would also advise choosing a trainer that is or was in the brigade. Their hands-on experience is invaluable and their accounts of real life situations can make training very memorable. Hope this helps, BR Ian
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#14 Posted : 15 September 2009 11:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phizzle ...in our oganisation all employees are given a theoretical overview of extinguishers at Induction. This is done by myself in case they need to use one in an emeregency situation. Practical demonstrations are given during training (by external IFE, ex-brigade trainers) for appointed Fire Marshalls. Ian
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