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#1 Posted : 15 September 2009 09:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By leerob Could someone please inform me on the use of lock off systems in domestic installations, is this a requirement under EWR 1989 or is it just good practice, as the company am inspecting for has not issued all the operatives with these locks. Regards Leerob
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#2 Posted : 15 September 2009 11:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel more detail please
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#3 Posted : 15 September 2009 11:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By leerob Once the electric has been isolated from the mains board ,on a full replacement installation in a tenanted property,does a lock off procedure need to be implemented in order to avoid an accidental reconnection!!!
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#4 Posted : 15 September 2009 11:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul I Clark You will find many domestic installations isolator switches are not equipped to be locked off. Therefore the usual procedure is for the electrician to withdraw and hold the fuse, also place signage and/or a blank safety notice fuse in its place. Only competent electricians should be doing this work and they should via their specific trade training understand this.
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#5 Posted : 15 September 2009 12:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose If there is a risk that the power could be re-applied without the consent or knowledge of the electrician then yes it does need to be locked off. There are locking off devices made for domestic situations and domestic boxes, we have them and use them. I suggest you have a look at either Arco or perhaps radio spares
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#6 Posted : 15 September 2009 12:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul I Clark Phil, thats good news to hear, we were unable to source any for the old domestic porceilain fuse boxes found in most 1930/40's properties. This is a great developement.
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#7 Posted : 15 September 2009 12:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul I Clark Sorry, me again. Phil any chance of pointing me in the right direction, could not find any on the said sites. Cheers
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#8 Posted : 15 September 2009 22:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Skyrme leerob, I have 2 kits for domestic, commercial and industrial isolation, will look up tomorrow the make etc. BUT, and no recommendations I got them from Edmundsons. they are around £80 per kit. There IS a requirement for safe isolation, see: http://www.esc.org.uk/pd...cal-industry/BPG2_08.pdf You will find that you are NOT allowed to remove the DNO fuse from the cut out, no matter who you are unless DNO personnel (ESQCR & EAWR) Without discussing the possibility of financial fraud by having access to bypassing the meter resulting in what is called abstraction. To remove this fuse you would be working live on the "national grid" and only DNO personnel can do this at this stage, though there are plans for schemes to be put in place allowing competent persons (checked by DNO/independent body such as NICEIC/ECA/NAPIT etc.) to do this work. If you want any more detail please PM, or request again in forum. Paul
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#9 Posted : 16 September 2009 13:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By leerob Thanks for all your replies as i am not to familiar with the electrical industry. My client is now informing myself that physically pulling the tails out the bottom of the mains board is alot more secure than the lock off procedure. According to reg.13 of the EAWR 1989 it states that once the equipment has been made dead you need a way of securing disconnection in the OFF position. Is this acceptable !! AM NOT CONVINCED Lee
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#10 Posted : 16 September 2009 13:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul I Clark As mentioned above by everyone, if a lock off system is available you should use that method as its fool proof. No one bar the electrician on the system can switch this on. However, as I stated from experience these kits are not always available so you got to consider what other options are available (although Phil suggests these are widely available for all boards now). Again, the fuse withdraw that is kept with the electrican(not the distribution suppliers main fuse), signage and removal of tails are common practices if these kits are not available. You mentioned domestic installations, so balance the risk, is it likely a different electrician is going to follow on behind, pull the signage off, reinstall the tails and buy a new fuse and fuse holder? You need to balance risk against the options available.
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#11 Posted : 16 September 2009 14:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By leerob Paul, Thanks for the response,i can sleep tonight. cheers Lee
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