Posted By J Knight To quote the Times article 'But they have contributed to a sense that traditional pursuits are under threat.' I rather think it's actually the media that have done that. What have HSE done apart from 'publicly backed the sport? In the US there's an open debate between big- versus small-government. Whichever side of the fence anyone might personally take, it's healthy to discuss these things openly. In the UK I am afraid the debate is conducted by stealth, with both sides using phrases like common sense and business efficiency to support their arguments. The Times is in the small government camp; I suspect the H&S battle with that paper and the media group it belongs to is actually unwinnable on the current terms of engagement, however willingly IOSH past-presidents knock about with nuts on string. Enough posting here, it's back to stopping people breaking themselves, John