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#1 Posted : 21 October 2009 10:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By T Birchall I'm just interested in anyone's comments on the HSE Asbestos Campaign being interfered with. http://www.shponline.co....ame=news&article_id=9283
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#2 Posted : 21 October 2009 12:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By gerry d This guy (Prof. John Bridle) should be ignored, having said that... I cannot quote scientific studies or any statistics...other than my own experience. My father was 51 years old when he passed away with lung cancer. Yes he smoked but he worked in the insulation industry all his adult life from the mid 50`s on. And no one is ever going to tell me that asbestos did not/ could not contribute to his early demise. I applaud the HSE for raising awareness among this sector of construction especially. Working in the asbestos industry myself I know that the HSE would never collude with any contractor association for `commercial` reasons, quite the opposite can be said actually. My opinion is that by stating that chrysotile is not hazardous is playing directly into the hands of less than scrupulous people who will, stand to gain `commercially` by a perceived lowering of standards and getting the `job` done by any means. Anyone else see the irony there? Asbestos in any form is killer, simple as that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. (Goes outside for some air, I`d have a lie down but I`m at work)
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#3 Posted : 21 October 2009 22:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Clarke-Scholes CMIOSH Can of Worms .......... opened! I too am in the asbestos industry and have been for longer than I care to admit. Bridle's reputation is suspect whilst the health risks from asbestos are not. HSE might have been better off pointing out that even by Bridles figures of 1000 deaths per year..... "Bridle maintains that a more accurate death rate from asbestos-related disease in the UK is 1000 a year" .....asbestos kills 4 times more construction workers that all other causes every year, and yes, I ignored the point about historic exposure in the quote. It's still a big number and the point is that to date, there is no evidence that the problem is going away. Might we not be "erring on the side of safety" (in a good way) if we assume it isn't going away, for once? Google "Doll and Peto" for the epidemiological studies. And remember how doctors ignored the cancer/smoking link back in the 50's (also Doll's work). Charlie Brooker has written in the Telegraph on the same point for many years. "Chrysotile does not cause Mesothelioma" (possibly true from my research, but the raw data isn't really there) and "Canada should be allowed to continue exporting it to the UK". Conrad Black, at the time, owned both the Torygraph and substantial Canadian mining interests. We know where Black finished up. Seems to me society has a track record of ignoring risks, particularly where the financial interest is overwhelming. Let's face it, if UK plc did a risk assessment, smoking would be banned completely overnight as it kills 120,000 people every year. But who wants to find a replacement for tax revenues equivalent to the budget of the NHS? Smokers don't drain the NHS, they fund it. What happened to farmers' suicide rates and the use of organophosphates? Answer: Officialdom said CoSHH should have controlled the risk (ignoring the fact that the farmers weren't in possession of the necessary information to assess the unknown risk), organophosphates aren't used any more and the story has gone away. It also seems to me that there are now enough people in officialdom these days who are determined not to repeat the mistakes of the past that, if anything, they might become guilty of being the first to make the mistakes of the future. This is where "Bonkers Conkers" has its origins, regrettably picked up by those for whom a little knowledge is a licence to print money, otherwise known as the insurance industry. Having made the mistake of repeatedly underestimating risk we are now trying to control trivial risk. Rant nearly over, stay with me........ So then, we already know that Occupational Health is the new Health and Safety. Asbestos is up at the top of the tree and so it should be, along with PM10, asthmagens and others. Road deaths were 6,000 a year when I started in HS. 3000 is still too many and cameras aren't the way to bring it down again, but it was a useful tool while it lasted. HSE are right to fulfil their brief by educating. Isn't the first thing you do with a risk assessment bring the significant findings to the attention of those affected? DDCCF Dash, down, crawl, cover, fire! Paul PS How many of you know haw many people die each year in the UK? Care to guess? Roughly 750,000 people every year, the majority from natural causes. Natural causes presumably including cancer, dementia, CHF, strokes and all the rest. Now care to estimate how many have an occupational (or lifestyle) component? No, me either.
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#4 Posted : 22 October 2009 11:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Crops up every time, This chap has been discredited in the past and has even said that Asbestos cement only contains white, well if he wants a sample of the AC I have which contains Blue he can have it! a someone said kerpoppycock! Asbestos is a killer, some fibre types are more dangerous than others, true, no one disputes that and that why the majority of licensed removal involves products which contain Brown and Blue. I take the point that this campaign may be sensationalist,m and the majority of deaths are from the pas, however as a safety professional if it can stop 1 person form habitually breaking AIB and ripping off pipe lagging, then in my book its worth it. Ignore him!
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#5 Posted : 22 October 2009 12:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By grim72 A talksport listener methinks. I am currently producing a campaign in support of the Hidden Killer campaign and I will be using the same stats to help highlight the dangers. The fact that the guy feels the need to argue the numbers of deaths claimed by the HSE surely highlights the fact that he is out of touch with what is really important - ie saving people's lives.
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#6 Posted : 22 October 2009 13:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Are there any other types of listener mate! my radio can only pick this up, well thats what my I tell my daughter
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#7 Posted : 22 October 2009 15:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By T Birchall I'm glad I'm not alone. I'd love to take him inside a live enclosure one day to see it how it really is.
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