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Posted By John Battye
Did anyone read the column by Peter Graystone in the Church Times supporting the cause of health & safety
It was quite a (welcome) shock, to find such a supportive article in the press.
To my knowledge, this is the only (non - H & S connected) newspaper that has ever supported the work we do
I would welcome other members views on this
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Posted By Andrew Robertson-Böber
I have tired to look at the article on the Church Times website but cannot find it. I don't suppose you have a link?
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Posted By David J Jones
Do you have a link to it John?
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
John
Links are most helpful as many of us do not habitually or even regularly read Protestant Propoganda:-)
I prefer the Catholic Herald:-)
Bob
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Posted By Andrew Robertson-Böber
My Catholic principles would agree with this point, however my Jewish vitae also wants to add to the protest. I feel like a march is coming on. ;~)
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Posted By John Battye Thanks everyone for your responses Theological debate with colleagues about this is way out of my depth, but "God bless" you all for your replies anyway.....but....in true "Church of England" style, it is suitable for all faiths and non (devil worshipers please ignore this). The link is http://www.churchtimes.co.uk/content.asp?id=83269but...., its not available to non subscribers until after Thursday. Sorry if this has inconvenienced anyone, but I still would welcome your views whenever you can get to the article Many thanks for your intrest John
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Posted By clairel
Well as an atheist I think I'll stay well clear of religious literature thank you.
Suprised the mods haven't jumped on this one (not the original post but subsequent ones).
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Claire
It is difficult to repond to a post that none of us can read and I think that is the point of some of the comments including mine. We do not even know as yet whether the original post was off message in any case.
Bob
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Posted By Andrew Robertson-Böber
Bob
I believe that would be an ecumanical matter.
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Posted By clairel
hmmm
That would be an ecumenical (sp) matter then!
Not sure why you say it is though.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
In the interests of PC one would have to say that it is an ecupeopleical as both the strings MAN and MEN are gendered.!!!
I would also have to say that St Josephs Day, as Patron Saint of workers, is often reported and regarded as a time when the lot of the working person, including working conditions of all sorts, are remembered and commented on in a positive way in the Catholic press worldwide.
I only wish employers could give some time to a real consideration of health, safety and welfare at work. I must admit now to knowing somebody with a subscription but he has only given me a precise that is not much more than the headline regarding H&S not being a bureaucratic nonsense.
Bob
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Bob,
I note that the article is now viewable and funnily enought the main gripe is that certain sensationalist newspapers are not telling the whole truth about clock winders climbing ladders into church towers.
Now there's a surprise.
PS - At the risk of exposing my own affiliations, I'm so glad I read the article myself rather than relying on a self appointed third party to tell me about it.
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Apart from the obvious risk identified in the article, one has to ask what the access arrangements are from the floor into the winding room... There does not appear to be any stair access, otherwise why the trap door?
For years we had a vertical steel ladder to the top of our tower, which was eventually replaced by one with hoops. Still not entirely satifactory, but the tower is rarely accessed and doesn't have a clock.
Alan
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Thank-you for pointing out this article -I 'advise' my Dad(church warden) on goings on at his church. Two of the issues recently come up are accessing the tower to wind the clock and sharing the cup at communne due to 'swine flu'. I have been providng argumemts for funding to put in proper access and to stop the cup sharing and this may help. I know they both need sorting. 'The higher church management' knows but the other wardens and locals persist in saying ' we've never had a problems...' and divert the money.
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That 'national newspaper' often doesn't tell the whole story and makes our lives all the more difficult. I think health, safety and welfare within the church is a serious and interesting matter. We should not forget that there have been a number incidents in past years where priests/vicars have been threatened, injured or killed in the process of their 'work'. There are, of course, the day to day issues and I am also aware of a local church where they have stopped using the chalice to reduce the risk of spread of flu amongst their vulnerable parishioners. Seems sensible to me and not rocket science.
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