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#1 Posted : 23 October 2009 10:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By JWG
Calling all lift experts..

I've received a letter from the lift service peeps that detailed their recommendations below. the lift in question is relatively new (in the last 5 years), number of employees in the building is less than 20 - but the lift is only used to bring up stationary supplies 1-2 times a week max.

Can anyone advise on what we MUST have in place - the cost for all is over £3000. I'm not saying thats excessive for the work, but I just don't want to pay for something that is not neccessary (cost v benefit).

Pit stop switch installation:
BS75255 - Emergency stop in lift pit

Landing door safety barrier:
PM26, BS 7255:2001 – recommended owner provides barriers when out of service. DOES THE OWNER/OCCUPIER HAS TO SUPPLY THESE?

Pit prop with electrical interlock:
BS7255 - Strongly recommended pit prop with electrical interlock and signage

Autodialler:
EN81:28 - Strongly recommend two way voice connection (telephone line)

Thanks in advance....
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#2 Posted : 23 October 2009 12:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose
In the past our service engineers would come up with seemingly endless lists of mods etc to our lifts every year. It was difficult to determine what were genuinely necessary and which were, lets say, nice little earners for the company. So, to cut along story we appointed an independent engineer to advise us. He did a thorough review of the lifts and the engineers reports and determined that many of the suggested works were not necessary or a legal requirement. We and then had a meeting with the lift company that resulted in amongst other things a reduction in the contract price and an acceptance that quite a number of the recommended mods were not necessary. You may want to try a similar approach, or even without the independent engineer, ask them in and query each mod and ask whether it is a legal requirement etc.
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#3 Posted : 24 October 2009 13:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Larry
Been there, got the T-shirt. The recommendations made to my facilities department were almost identical to yours.

I agree with the above poster. I wrote back and asked for references to current legislation etc.

That made them go all quiet.
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#4 Posted : 28 October 2009 14:28:16(UTC)
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I have been trying to post a response to you since yesterday – hope this is in time to be some help!
Your lift service people have the best intentions, and their proposals are the usual safety enhancements. However, they may not all be necessary/essential. Without knowing your lift, I must qualify my advice a little!
IF your lift is a completely new installation which was commissioned within the last 5 years then it will have a CE mark to show it complied with the Lifts Regulations (the law) and this usually means it met the requirements of BS EN 81-1 or 81-2 (1 Electric Lift, 2 Hydraulic Lift) which is a Harmonised European Standard.
BS 7255 is a (national) Code of Practice for Safe Working on Lifts. It recommends best practices to provide the safest practicable working environment. It was issued in 2001 and makes recommendations over and above the requirements of BS EN 81. It is common for the British Lift companies to advise compliance with BS 7255.
To address each of your points:
Pit stop switch – You should already have this, the recommendation may be due to interpretation of code requirements. You could ask why they want to change? (Which part of BS7255:2001?)
Landing barrier – This is a good thing to have, without doubt! However, whether the owner/occupier or the lift service company should supply a barrier is currently a matter of debate! Barriers are mentioned in Section 4 of BS 7255 which covers the responsibilities of the owner, and so this is interpreted as the owner should supply! You could ask whether their mechanics carry barriers in their vans for jobsites where the owner does not supply?
Pit prop with electrical interlock – This is from Annex B of BS7255 “Suggested improvements for consideration by the owner with particular reference to safe working on lifts” (If your lift is hydraulic, it probably already has some form of pit prop but without interlock. If it is electric, it is not usual to have a prop.)
BS EN 81-28 Auto dialler. – You should already have something to enable communication in the event of an alarm? It was a requirement of BS EN 81-1 (and 81-2) clause 14.2.3. BS EN 81-28 (dated 2003) superseded the requirements and essentially gave more detail and specification. You could ask why, what improvement/benefit?
If you need any more help, let me have contact details and I will see what I can do!
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#5 Posted : 29 October 2009 15:42:08(UTC)
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I find it very surprising that any lift hasnt already got a pit stop switch, if for any reason your lift has not got one then it is necessary to have one fitted.
Landing door safety barrier, when i have installed lifts they come as a package flat packed and a landing barrier is usually supplied, again if there isnt one on site (usually in the lift motor room) then you need to purchase one.
pit prop/electrical interlock, again a pit prop is usually supplied, if not you should again purchase one, however it isnt always necessary to have it electrically interlocked.
Autodialler, is normally an extra, if your building is not highly populated or has no reception/security perssonnel, then i would seriously consider getting one installed. If you were the last person in the building and the lift broke down, who would hear the alarm? So it really depends on your circumstances for the Autodialler.
No Regulations quoted, but speaking from experience on various types of lifts, hope this helps.
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