Why? Both systems are basically the same and based on the principles of Plan, Do, Check and Act. 18001 upsets quite a few people because of the evaluation of compliance clause, but I have never found this to be a problem. To answer your question, No I am not aware of any such info as both are predominately the same - non prescriptive building blocks for a SMS. HSG 65: Policy Organisation Planning & Implementation Measuring Performance Reviewing Performance Audit !8001: Policy Planning Implement & Operate Checking & Corrective Action Management. Review Continual Improvement

There is a decent summary on the HSE website, under the heading, "Comparison of HSG 65 with other key management ‘standards’ " at:- http://www.hse.gov.uk/fo...pect/mast/comparison.htm You also may want to refer to the excellent IOSH guidance, "Systems in Focus" at:- http://www.iosh.org.uk/i...18324393b&version=-1 The background to all this is that after the publication of International Standards in Quality and Environmental Management as ISO 9000 and 14000 series that had started life as British Standards BS 5750 and BS 7750, there was an attempt by BSI to do the same for Safety Management Systems. Unfortunately, the BSI Technical Committee formed for this purpose, HS/1 could not reach a consensus on the route to follow for BS 8800 in the early 1990's. This led to a compromise in the publication of BS 8800:1996 in that it had both the HSG 65 route and the ISO 9001 route! Also, the majority of the HS/1 members did not want the BS 8800 standard to be "certificated". This ultimately led to the Certification Bodies in conjunction with BSI, but not with the HS/I committee publishing OHSAS 18001:1999 that was a termed as a "Specification" since it could not be termed as a "Standard". This was not accredited by any of the national accreditation bodies initially! At ISO i.e. international level, 2 attempts by BSI to initiate work on an international standard for Health and Management Systems did not materialise as the proposal did not get the requisite percent of votes. This was primarily due to in informal understanding with ILO-Worksafe that any "International Standard" for this would be led by ILO-Worksafe. Anyway, this led ILO-WorkSafe to eventually publish ILO OSH-MS Guidelines (ILO-OSH 2001). In the fullness of time, OHSAS 18001:1999 became a de-facto international "standard" and a couple of national accreditation bodies, i.e. the Dutch and UK (UKAS) began accrediting OHSAS 18001:1999 for certification. This eventually led to the recognition of the revised OHSAS 18001:2007 by the BSI Technical Commitee HS/1 as a "Bristish Standard" and hence it designation as BS OHSAS 18001:2007 which was not the case with OHSAS 18001:1999 ! BS 8800:1996 was revised in 2006 when it only had the HSG 65 route, and now BS 8800 is superceded by BS 18004:2008

18001 is the simplest way forward... but only if your organisation is already well versed in 14001 and 9001 and applying them.

Not only is HSG65 free, it is also the management system HSE will expect to find if, heaven forbid, they ever have to pull your arrangements apart to make a case against you, John

It is possible to be assessed against 18001 and have a certificate to prove it which I'm not aware can be done for HSG65. However it should be remembered that just because you have a certificate that your system is working perfectly at all times.

Having brought many sites through to 18001 I would like to support and expand upon Jim's view that it is easier first to attain 9001. For a structured approach to management systems there should first be an understanding of the business processes within the organisation. This then leads to a better management understanding of the impact that these processes have on health and safety, e.g. risk assessing a warehouse for workplace transport risks is bit like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted; decisions on the strategy for warehouse layout should incorporate consideration of the downstream impact rather than those decisions being purely about efficiencies and minimising cost. Sadly many organisations fail to grasp the link and continue to battle away at rectifying the earlier decisions they make. The approach offered by PAS99 is appealing and i would strongly suggest that an integrated management system that pulls 9001, 14001 and 18001 together is the way forward. Just a suggestion ;)

BS OHSAS 18001:2007 is not an ISO Standard, but has probably become a de-facto one!