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MikeLarry  
#1 Posted : 09 November 2009 21:05:44(UTC)
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MikeLarry

Would any kind person be able to list the 10 most common aspects of H&S in retail shops (working at height, aggressive members of the public, Fire plan etc)?

Thank you for your time and any help is much appreciated.

Mike Larry
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 09 November 2009 21:30:35(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Hi Mike,
Depending on whether you are dealing at store level or for a company with multiple outlets. Working in this sector myself for a company with 150+ sites across the UK, our biggest risk is area managers and HQ staff driving around the country. Second to that (purely on impact) and the biggest risk at store level is fire. Third place goes to receiving and unloading deliveries from lorries. staying at number four in the charts, manual handling. New entry at number five, accidents involving manual handling aids (roll cages, pump trucks, dollies, etc.

These will of course differ from company to company and although only listed five I can think of from the comfort of my living room, there are many more. I can really only remember the order for the top three off of the top of my head, the others were put in that order for fun.

Incidentally, cuts and grazes to hands and arms are our most common injury
MikeLarry  
#3 Posted : 09 November 2009 21:48:08(UTC)
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MikeLarry

Thanks Safety Smurf.

I had a few of the above, especially Manual Handling. I thought dealing with the public (abusive customers, shoplifters) would have been high up on the list.

I can't see a large amount of hazards compared to the construction industry, for example.

Any other contributions?

What training courses are common?
flukey  
#4 Posted : 09 November 2009 22:32:25(UTC)
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flukey

Hi Mike,

I want place in any order, you will have to do that depending on your business but you should also consider- asbestos management (gets complicated when lease agreements kick in!), Radon, fire risk assessments (again get complicated with multiple tenants and on shopping malls), COSHH, first aid arrangements, abuse of staff is becoming more of an issue (some high streets sign up to a walkie talkie programme to call in security and/or police), general maintenance and control of contractors, lone working may be an issue (remember cleaners), fixed wire and PAT routines. Also, they love to arrange promotional stuff-you wouldn't believe what a good marketing team can come up with!!

For training consider basic fire and H&S (slip/trip/falls, accident reporting, man handling, COSHH). Induction is really important as staff turnover can be high, with temp staff as we approach christmas.
teh_boy  
#5 Posted : 10 November 2009 08:30:53(UTC)
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teh_boy

http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/casestudies/index.htm

You don't say what sort of retail environment or what size?

In my experince

Pet Shop - Hamsters = no 1 hazard
Sweet Shop - Eating too much stock = No 1 hazard

grim72  
#6 Posted : 10 November 2009 08:40:40(UTC)
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grim72

I'd have thought warehouse safety - segregation of pedestrians from forklift areas etc would be high on the list too?
Safety Smurf  
#7 Posted : 10 November 2009 09:01:39(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

The possibilities here are vast. Mike, can you narrow the field for us?
MikeLarry  
#8 Posted : 10 November 2009 14:47:33(UTC)
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MikeLarry

Sorry people.

The place is a clothes shop (like NEXT, TOPMAN etc).

I would have thought members of the public would've been big on the list?
Safety Smurf  
#9 Posted : 10 November 2009 14:56:20(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Ok Mike,
That makes it a bit easier to visualize. Is this a chain or an independent? and are we concerened about store level or company wide if its a chain?
MikeLarry  
#10 Posted : 10 November 2009 15:02:05(UTC)
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MikeLarry

A chain Safety Smurf.

I would like to know store level hazards, injurys and common accidents. And how interaction with members of the public has an impact on H&S issues.
grim72  
#11 Posted : 10 November 2009 15:09:09(UTC)
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grim72

If you have glass fronted windows/doors you would need to include decals to prevent people walking into them. I guess slips and trips would be an issue (especially near the entrance if coming in off the street). Fire exits, DDA, CCTV surveillance would all need to be considered.
Safety Smurf  
#12 Posted : 10 November 2009 15:22:46(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Slips, trips and falls are the most common to customers. Little ones swinging from displays and bringing them down on top of themselves is another. As someone has already suggested, you need to keep a tight reign on the marketing dept. No one will keep you on your toes quite like them. There is always a potential for conflict in cases of shoplifting so you need to have a very clear policy on what staff are to do in the event of it happening, the best way of managing that risk is to make it as hard as possible in the 1st place.

Are you deliveries going to be made from your own vehicles fitted with tail-lifts? Because if they are I'd imagine that will be top of your charts.
amorris  
#13 Posted : 10 November 2009 15:28:09(UTC)
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amorris

I would put cash handling (links into agression and customers) in the top ten, but would agree with the others on Fire, asbestos, handling, transport plans for deliveries (and in the warehouse if one is attached), S&T, maintenance of stores during open hours (I once investigated a lady who fell down an open cellar hatch during some maintenance).
David Bannister  
#14 Posted : 10 November 2009 15:30:03(UTC)
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David Bannister

In no partuicular order: lone working/violence, fire, electricity, slips/trips/falls, stress, falling items, manual handling/unloading, vehicles, burns/scalds from steamers and taking the top prize:

Liability for selling totally inappropriate clothing to impressionable customers who think they look cool but in reality look like buffoons. Is this actionable? Should be!
Safety Smurf  
#15 Posted : 10 November 2009 15:44:44(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Hey! those leather elbow patches look really distinguished!
MikeLarry  
#16 Posted : 10 November 2009 15:56:57(UTC)
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MikeLarry

Why are the Marketing team so bad?
grim72  
#17 Posted : 10 November 2009 16:04:38(UTC)
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grim72

Sales signs will be hanging overhead, displays stacked high, unsafe and blocking fire escape routes, etc
Safety Smurf  
#18 Posted : 10 November 2009 16:12:15(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

MikeLarry wrote:
Why are the Marketing team so bad?


And they will issue instructions to the store to put up the over hanging signs without any consideration as to how that will be done safely.

They will also send out promotional displays that will fall over on to people or has artistic protrusions at eye level, jsut perfect for taking your eye out!
grim72  
#19 Posted : 10 November 2009 16:18:32(UTC)
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grim72

You will also find that if the marketing bods are in charge of actually putting up the displays they will probably give no thought to their safety whilst they do so - imagine them balancing on top of several boxes to get the look they want etc. Trust me, I have a marketing background.
Safety Smurf  
#20 Posted : 10 November 2009 16:21:26(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

And all this before we've even considered the huge vinyl seasonal promotional banners to be somehow attached halfway up the outside of the building in the middle of a force 8!
MikeLarry  
#21 Posted : 10 November 2009 16:40:17(UTC)
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MikeLarry

It's these finer details that are specific to the shop/retail sector I am after, thanks people!

What common control measures are there?
Safety Smurf  
#22 Posted : 10 November 2009 16:56:19(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Spy on the marketing Dept!

Seriously, you wont get them to put a H&S head on but if you work with them with a marketing head on its much easier to get buy in. After all, good marketing is part of what pays our mortgage!

Manual handling training for the staff is pretty much standard fair in the retail industry. Often not considered H&S training but good customer service can go along way to avoiding conflicts.

Just to encourage a few more answers Mike. What size/layout are the stock rooms?
Safety Smurf  
#23 Posted : 10 November 2009 16:57:23(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

I meant 'fare' not 'fair'.
MikeLarry  
#24 Posted : 10 November 2009 17:10:59(UTC)
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MikeLarry

I'm not sure Safety Smurf. It is an industry I might be going into and I need information on hazards specific to it. So far so good!
jericho  
#25 Posted : 10 November 2009 18:31:37(UTC)
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jericho

I work in retail and I can tell you the top 6 risk rated activities for our business. Not through guess work, but because our risk assessment process has delivered meaningful results - for us. But as several responders have already said, it depends on what you are doing as a business. Our number one is home delivery of outsized items. Freezers etc. Number two is pedestrian access of vehicle operating areas (VOAs).

Exposure to violence and aggression doesn't even make the top ten for us. Now if we were an all night off licence or similar, that may be a different story. I know from colleagues in the retail sector, that electronics stores that have direct access from the street get hit really badly with the threat of violence in 'grab it and run' type crimes. Including use of firearms. Our stores are not laid out like that and it would take you all day to grab enough lipsticks to make it worth the hassle as that is what you'd get straight off the High Street entrance.

However, the question was about hazards, not about the levels of risk associated with performing a task involving the hazard. It's interesting but we have found that customers have utterly different accidents to our staff. We have 70,000 staff and there is barely an instance of them tripping over displays, falling on escalators, walking into pillars etc. However, customers seem to find new and inventive ways of injuring themselves on our premises that we actually find very difficult to predict without hindsight. We tend to look at using risk assessment as a tool to identify problems in staff activities and more basic hazard control to help customers not to injure themselves.

Floor surfaces tend to contribute to customer accidents; there is a tight balance between aesthetics, wear-ability, hygiene and grip. It's not usually grip that wins the day.

Manual handling of 'something' is probably the single biggest thing that a retail employee does in their day. This is very difficult to condense into a quick response, but is a major issue for most retailers. You might walk out with one coat, but the employee will have ten coats over their arms, despite there being a hanging garment rail to use.

You have to distinguish between transient hazards (the banners falling on people's heads) and the everyday, repeated exposures that constitute peoples' jobs.

For us it's
Handling really big things
Vehicle / pedestrian separation
Handling per se of everything that isn't really big
Driving on company business (grey fleet stuff)
Customer access of buildings and movement around our stores
and, quite specifically, customer use of escalators.

The rest is simply no where near as much a problem.

But as a retailer, I presume that you would also have, distribution, warehousing, vehicle maintenance operations, leisure functions etc. Trust me the safest place to be is on the shop-floor. It's behind the scenes that the real issues lie.

Hope you come over to the retail sector, it's quite a challenge. Although my mantra is 'remember that we're a shop, not an explosives factory!'

C
MikeLarry  
#26 Posted : 10 November 2009 23:53:51(UTC)
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MikeLarry

Thanks Jericho.

I am still suprised the general public are not mentioned as high risk - I would've thought they would come into contact with hazards more; as they are not trained, unaware (children) etc.

If I am moving into an established company I would imagine all the necessary risk assessments/method statements, and to a certain degree training, will already be in place?

Retail seems more controlled and static than the construction industry.
jericho  
#27 Posted : 11 November 2009 08:10:00(UTC)
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jericho

Mike, they are are our top six 'radar' in other words our risk register, but they are not high risk. They are medium risk. The top six is made up of three high risk activities and then three medium risk activities/ Last year is was higher, but due to concerted action and involvement of the board, we are getting things down ore to medium across the whole register. It will take time but we are tacking the right things. We can't control the people who come in, easily, but we can and do control the hazards. Think about it. If we open our doors and let the elderly and children into our stores and the environment constitutes high 'risk' then what are we saying? It's not safe to come in? We don't work on lists of hazards really as it doesn't give any context. Like electricity for example. What electricity - where? Our customers are not expected to come into contact with that. If they did, we would most likely be able to show that they did something unforeseeable. And this is not something that we are obliged to necessarily to predict.

There isn't anything in our view that, reasonably, constitutes a hazard with a reasonably foreseeable high outcome for them. Falling over is pretty common as I indicated, but this would not be classed as high hazard outcome. Similarly, the controls in place mean that these incidents do not have a high likelihood of occurrence either. So anyway we cut it, coming shopping is not a high risk activity (maybe to your wallet!). If it were it would up there with entry into confined space, with hazardous atmosphere, whilst wearing tee shirt and flip flops after a crate of Stella and smokin' a fag. See the point? Shopping is not dangerous, generally speaking.

Don't be so sure that all of the necessary risk assessments etc WILL be in place. Retail is seen as low risk, by retailers and therefore the attention to safety and necessary documentation, systems, training etc is seen as non profitable and therefore can be pretty lax. If you want to talk privately on this, just PM me. I work along side pretty much all of the big names on the High Street.

J
flukey  
#28 Posted : 11 November 2009 08:52:16(UTC)
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flukey

MikeLarry wrote:
Thanks Jericho.

I am still suprised the general public are not mentioned as high risk - I would've thought they would come into contact with hazards more; as they are not trained, unaware (children) etc.

If I am moving into an established company I would imagine all the necessary risk assessments/method statements, and to a certain degree training, will already be in place?

Retail seems more controlled and static than the construction industry.


Hi Mike,

Dont assume that risk assessments and training will have been completed. I worked (for a short time) for one of the biggest retailers in the UK and the safety systems were shockingly bad for the size of their business. They just relied on very good lawyers! Retailers sell 'baked beans' and thats all they will focus on and they listen less and less the closer you get to christmas. Apparently, the season of goodwill to all men doesn't extend to keeping fire exit routes clear, not overloading service yards and warehouses.

Members of the public really aren't that much of an issue from an abuse point of view and as long as the stores are fitted out by a reputable contractor and compy with the welfare regs and Building Regs, you shouldn't have too many issues. But then you never know!! Thats what makes this job fun- someone, some how will mange to do something that has never entered your head.
MikeLarry  
#29 Posted : 11 November 2009 20:14:42(UTC)
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MikeLarry

A normal retail company will consist of:

Shops, head office and Distribution centres?
Safety Smurf  
#30 Posted : 11 November 2009 21:15:52(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Some will and some won't. The company I work for doesn't have to concern itself too much about day to day H&S in distribution because we use a third party logistics provider.
Others won't have distribution centers at all and will have suppliers ship direct to store.
It is also not uncommon for medium size enterprises to have their HQ at their DC.

I would investigate to find out if you potential employer isn't part of a group. You may find that in such cases there will be H&S input from the parent company.
DP  
#31 Posted : 12 November 2009 11:51:43(UTC)
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DP

Hiya Mike - if you wish to drop me a line off the forum I may be able to help you. I work in retail and have the responsibility for all arrangements from staff, to re-fits & new builds.
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