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Good morning all...a newby to the IOSH forums but hope someone can give me some insight into the current issues regarding Health and Safety facing the Fire Service / Emergency services today? Thanks, Wayne.
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They have as many issues facing them as any other operation. A myriad issues.
Here is an interesting liability case I recently read.
Two emergency vehicles
in collision: Craggy v Chief
Constable of Cleveland –
Court of Appeal (2009)
In a highly unusual accident a police car and
a fire engine on their way to two separate
emergencies collided at a traffic light
controlled cross roads. The police driver had
a green light in his favour and the lights were
red against the fire engine. The fire engine
driver treated the red traffic light as a give
way signal as the driver of an emergency
vehicle is entitled to do, not anticipating the
presence of the police car. Both vehicles
were displaying flashing blue lights and
sounding their sirens.
The fire engine driver was injured and sued
the police for damages. At first instance
the judge held that the police driver was
negligent in that he should have been able
to stop when another emergency vehicle
entered the junction. He found two thirds
contributory negligence on the part of the
fire engine driver.
“......the possibility that another
emergency vehicle might drive
into the junction against a red
light at the very moment that PC
Price drove into it was remote
in the extreme. I consider that in
imposing a duty on him to drive in
such a manner that he could stop
in the event of another emergency
vehicle emerging from Linthorpe
Road, the judge placed an
unreasonably high burden upon
him”.
*Mr Justice Owen*
The police driver successfully appealed.
The Court of Appeal held that to expect
the police driver to have driven in such a
way as to be able to stop in case another
emergency vehicle had entered the
junction at the same time was to impose
an unreasonably high standard on him. The
circumstances of the accident were highly
unusual and not ones that a driver could
reasonably be expected to anticipate. The
cause of the accident was the claimant’s
negligence in entering the junction against a
red light when it was unsafe to do so.
Comment: The Court of Appeal does not
expect even professionally trained drivers to
anticipate highly unlikely occurrences.
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In some sense it's the same as it always has been - responders are employees and subject to the same pressures as the rest of the workforce, though you get to replace "profit" with "operational urgency". Funds are being cut, yet the remit of both FS and AS crews are constantly expanding (Sir Ken Knight's program under CLG to reissue all the FS guidance documents is a reflection of this need to address firefighter and inter-agency safety within emerging roles). I can't see the situation getting any clearer for a good few years, as some services have yet to deal with stuff from the mid-90s, never mind the stuff that hasn't been written yet.
HSE does give some leeway for ops needs and DRAs, but not as much as people think; especially if it's the public (ahem... 'customers') you're putting at risk. We all know the paperwork on a job is often heavier than the appliance it came in, but there remain a lot of critical gaps between the "workplace-view" legislation and what practicably needs to be done. The rate national guidance can be updated is often slower than the rate HSE issues new regulations that make it redundant again.
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Thanks to all who responded...it's really great to get a community feel out of a forum like this. my overall views so far of where I think issues may lie is things such as the work at height regs which I believe the Fire service is partially exempt from? Other things involve the manual handling regs as I believe that was the biggest cause of over 3 day injuries in the 04/05 statistics. I am also looking at the likelihood of devastating medical issues, Legionnaires disease, risk of collapsed buildings, hazardous materials, DSEAR regulations and post traumatic stress disorders to name but a few...on top of that operatives need to be fully trained on dynamic risk assessment and then we have the issue of actually getting to the emergency safely. Can anyone expand on these for me?
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There's no exemption to WAHR, merely a sentence that says emergency responders can ignore the blanket ban on work at height in poor weather, but only when attending an emergency. However, FSM volume 2 has yet to be updated to include WAHR, as it was last issued in 2002 (as I said, working on that) - so some brigades *think* they're exempt simply because they haven't been retrained in the new rules.
Potentially the nightmare always on the horizon is the confined space regs; although we've been dealing with it for over 10 years, many brigades are ignoring the problem in the hope it'll go away, and have no formal policy on "goin' down 'oles". It's getting harder to ignore now brigades are rolling out trench to their USAR teams, and USAR is rolling out to other agencies (HART, etc.). In our work we're constantly having to make up our own policies for the emerging roles just to stop people arguing about whose idea is better.
Corporate inertia. Gotta learn to love it as there's no shifting it.
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There is also the Striking the Balance thing between the Police and the HSE, due partly to the fact that the Police in some cases are under a duty to put themselves at risk - rather uniquely in some ways - at work.
Have a look at the HSE press release and statements, and also
http://www.acpo.police.u...ressrelease.asp?PR_GUID={EF5AA09F-CBFB-4A43-8D18-2F81C3D01063}
Martin
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