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Steve e ashton  
#1 Posted : 15 December 2009 09:53:34(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

Interesting news item on the Beeb at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/...ews/politics/8410302.stm The item also has some surprisingly well informed and considered responses where I might have expected more 'elfensafety gone bonkers' type response. Does this suggest the tide may have turned? Any thoughts from people in here? Steve
grim72  
#2 Posted : 15 December 2009 10:18:28(UTC)
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grim72

I'm surprised it has taken so long. I hope it is sanctioned, then again I don't tend to listen to much music unless I'm in the car and I can't get a Talksport reception. It makes sense to me, as I find it annoying having to listen to other people's noise if sat next to them. I also agree that the quality of headphones is a big problem. It will be interesting to see how it progresses.
Bob Howden  
#3 Posted : 15 December 2009 13:36:28(UTC)
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Bob Howden

As a regular MP3 user I'm unsure how workable this might be. I do however agree that users need to be far more aware of how much damage they are doing to their hearing by continually listening to loud music directly into their ears. I had the volume on my MP3 checked by the RNID during one of their street sessions in the Don't Lose the Music campaign and was pleasantly suprised to find I was in the 'safe' area. I am irritated by so many people on public transport who are clearly damaging their hearing. On the few occasions I've tried to talk to people I've been left with the clear message that my intervention was unwelcome.
blodwyn  
#4 Posted : 15 December 2009 14:29:05(UTC)
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blodwyn

MP3 players are prohibited on our factory floor for safety reasons and now we are going to prohibit them in the offices. Our MD does not like to see employees 'plugged in' - he feels they should be able to interact with colleagues, answer their calls etc. Equally IMO if employees are using MP3 players we have a duty under the noise at work regs? They are at work, exposed to unmeasured levels of noise for often hours at a time - should an employee get NIHL we could be liable as we cannot of course get them to sign a disclaimer. Be interested in your thoughts before we write our policy!!!
Dazzling Puddock  
#5 Posted : 15 December 2009 15:43:02(UTC)
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Dazzling Puddock

It is issues like this that, rightly or wrongly conspire to give Health and Safety a bad name! Is there no such thing as personal responsibility any more? If I want to fill my head with screeching at painful levels then, as an adult, that should be my right!! As long as I have been informed that playing it at high volume might damage my hearing then VF should apply! The use of MP3 players in the workplace is a separate issue and should be dealt with through normal management procedures IMHO!
grim72  
#6 Posted : 15 December 2009 15:55:00(UTC)
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grim72

But surely you could use that argument for just about anything. Using that theory you would be in favour of legalising every drug, and justify people killing themselves based on the fact it is personal choice. I am all for freedom of rights etc but there is a legal reponsibility for protection from damaging noise levels within the workplace, setting the default level to 85dB would seem logical to me - the option to make it louder would be there (out of working hours) but you would need to go out of your way to do so.
blodwyn  
#7 Posted : 16 December 2009 08:06:38(UTC)
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blodwyn

Totally agree - if people want to blast their ear drums out in the car or while they are out shopping etc you are right - let them do it at the volume they choose - so long as the info is there for them to see - but I am still interested in what your thoughts are about people using them 'at work' and the employers liability. Saying that nearly had a coming together with a guy the other day who was 'plugged in' and didn't look as he went to cross the road and straight out in front of me.
Paul Duell  
#8 Posted : 16 December 2009 09:51:29(UTC)
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Paul Duell

blodwyn wrote:
(snip) but I am still interested in what your thoughts are about people using them 'at work' and the employers liability.
The first question I'd ask is do the headphones interfere with their ability to do the job safely (either from a "not hearing warnings" or a "distraction" point of view). There will be many to whom this applies and for them I'd ban headphones, whatever bit of technology they're connected to. If an MP3 compromises a person's ability to do their job effectively (but without affecting safety), that's between them and their manager and not something I'd get involved in as an H&S person. Other than that, unless listening to an MP3 is a work-related activity, then any noise they're exposed to through it isn't a result of a work activity. I struggle to think that any court would hold an employer liable for hearing problems caused by an employee listening to their own choice of music, at a volume set by themselves, on a piece of equipment they've provided themselves, just because it happened in working hours. Apart from anything else, if that employee claimed they'd been listening to music at 90dBA in working hours, I'd challenge them to prove that they weren't doing the same thing in their own time - and that it was definitely the "working hours" listening that was responsible. Putting my headphones on right now...got a nice bit of Dire Straits to listen to today...
jwk  
#9 Posted : 16 December 2009 10:01:23(UTC)
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jwk

I ahve to agree with Paul, this what Regulation 5(1) of the NAWR 2005 has to say: 'An employer who carries out work which is liable to expose any employees to noise at or above a lower exposure action value shall make a suitable and sufficient assessment of the risk from that noise to the health and safety of those employees' The assessment only applies to noise arising from work, any other noise to which the employee is exposed is not the employers business, John
ScotsAM  
#10 Posted : 16 December 2009 10:39:46(UTC)
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ScotsAM

I agree with jwk. People who choose to listen to personal headphones at work are doing so of their own accord - They aren't being unnecesarily exposed to it as part of their job. I don't think that this practice should be banned unless there are safety, productivity issues or another policy which would ban them. Surely 'volenti non fit injuria' should apply here.
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