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Quick question regarding testing of fire alarms (weekly). I know the requirement for carrying out such a test ie BS5839 Pt1 & The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 (Article 17), however I have a question as to when this should be carried out.
Currently this is carried out during weekends, when the factory is closed and whilst only has some engineering personnel on-site. The log book is appears to be up-to-date, however I have my suspicions as to whether it actually gets done at all.
Im looking to get this test conducted whilst the factory is staffed during normal working hours, and was hoping for advice in putting my case to management.
Thank you in advance!
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Been there, done that and for the same reasons!
We now test at 10:00am every Thursday morning. Everybody gets to hear what the alarm sounds like and knows what time and on what day to expect it. They also know it will be silenced in around 5 seconds and if it isn't, the marshals will start telling everbody to evacuate after about 10-15 secs.
The other advantage is that everbody knows that unless it's 10:00am Thursday morning, they need to evacuate straight away.
A prominent sign gets put up in reception every Thursday morning reminding people coming into the building that test will be at 10:00am that morning.
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Hi Guru
There is no case to put, it is vital that the employees know the sound of the alarm, we carry out weekly alarm testing every Tuesday at a fixed time in each our our sites.
All staff and visitors are informed at induction and the rest were briefed before we started the testing program, the safety notice board has the times in a clear poster, staff now expect the bell to ring at 10am every tuesday.
The disruption level is minimal 5-10 seconds of siren thats it, I do it with a memeber of the facilities team, its logged and we work our way round the whole site different call point each time, actually found a call point that I did not know existed a couple of months ago, that was missed off the plans!
Its all in the communication, good luck
Fouldsy
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Section 21 of the RRO - Training - paragraph 2 part e: 'the training referred to in paragraph 1 must
"take place during working hours".' Clearly stated.
No point in watching a video of a fire drill without also carrying out the drill - behaviour based training involves activity and practice. Instruction, information and training are all different but interactive aspects here with training including evac drills when people are at work.
Martin
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I used to test same time same day every week, everybody knew to expect it and it was a good system. One day the MD gave me a rolicking for testing while he was on the phone.
It was he who was in the wrong but he is always the MD.
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Guru - looking back on my previous post I dunno if I got the point across. What I meant is that it if you had a fire and no-one who works during the week or during the day knew what to do re fire evacuation, that is unacceptable - holding the tests out of hours does not allow the vast majority to receive relevant training. All should be trained - it is normally those who work out of hours who are difficult to include in the training regime, not the other way round.
Everyone should know what to do in the event of an evac, and training for that includes practice drills. E-learning and watching vids is not sufficient.
"The responsible person must establish and put into effect safety drills to ensure that all personnel have had opportunity to practice the safety procedures." from 'A Fire Service Guide to Managing Fire Safety and Fire Risk Assessment. ' p12, Fire Drills.
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I think your both getting your wires crossed between evac drills and alarm system tests.
I don't really think an alarm system test counts as training other than "Oh! that's what it sounds like"
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One of the reasons for the weekly tests is surely to make sure that it can be heard in all areas by all staff... If you test at the weekend (when all / most of the machinery is shut down) - then you won't be able to assess this surely?
Steve
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It should be done during normal working hours, as said before, to ensure employees get to know what the sound is, but also so that they can report any areas of the workplace where the alarm could no be heard. if it done at the weekend with limited staff on site this might not be achievable.
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Gura I work in a College/University campus and we test ours at same time every Thursday morning so that everyone gets used to hearing it and it helps identify and defective sounders or beacons.
Have been asked a few times to delay due to meeting, seminar etc but have backing of Senior Management Team and stick to same time.
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Thanks for all your time in replying to this thread. Just to clarify, we do carry out fire evacuations twice yearly, the query was with regard to weekly testing of the fire alarm (non evacuations)
I find it odd that the test is carried out when that factory is virtually empty, however it may have been moved to minimise impact to production, although I find it hard to understand how this may be the case. As I implied with the original post, I have my doubts whether the test actually gets done at all, however the log book is up to date.
I see too many benefits is carrying out the test during normal working hours, as already mentioned, however I need to prepare myself that when it boils down to the nitty gritty there is no requirement for such a test to be conducted during normal working hours....merely 'weekly tests' being stipulated.
I'll put my recommendations forward and see how I go.
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