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HARIDAS.P.V  
#1 Posted : 26 December 2009 06:18:16(UTC)
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HARIDAS.P.V

Hi All,
What's the scope and role of Health, Safety & Environmental organizations in Middle East (Especially in Dubai) during this recession stage. Many organizations have HSE Department which seems like for name sake only. Is this will be changed or not, comments please.
Wizard  
#2 Posted : 26 December 2009 12:43:42(UTC)
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Wizard

HARIDAS,

Is your question relative to a particular event, or lack of work opportunities created by the credit crunch.

Can you name the company's who are purely waving the HSE flag and in your opinion not upholding the principles. Why do you feel this. Are the company's in the private sector??

Wizard
Richards  
#3 Posted : 27 December 2009 08:11:37(UTC)
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Richards

I think that in this part of the world HSE is seen differently, I work with a number of international companies who I know from the UK and are very good in there safety culture over there, but over here the paper work e.g.. safety plans are all in order but there safety culture is little to none, I put that down to the different cultures of the work force and the lack of governmental intervention,I also see that it is client driven and not necessarily people driven safety environment.

Richard
Canopener  
#4 Posted : 27 December 2009 10:14:01(UTC)
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Canopener

The situation being described isn't limited to the Midle East but does happen in the UK as well, as I am sure many of us have come across from time to time.

Wizard - just a thought, not such a good idea to encourage people to name companies or individuals, check the Acceptable Use Guidelines, in particular AUG 9 at http://www.iosh.co.uk/ne...orum_and_blog_rules.aspx
Wizard  
#5 Posted : 28 December 2009 04:20:04(UTC)
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Wizard

Phil,

Absolutely correct, slap my legs, forgot about big brother!!.

No name - no shame - no progress

I can only presume that Haridas is talking about the standards in the public sector, which as Richard has mentioned are ..........nil.

It is culture driven in part, but also cost in many cases and lack of accountibility in respect of consequences for events.

Wizard
Canopener  
#6 Posted : 28 December 2009 11:51:00(UTC)
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Canopener

I don't think it is 'big brother'. I believe that IOSH are right in trying to prevent the 'naming and shaming' of people/organisations for obvious (legal) reasons. I have absolutely no problem at all with people or organisations being 'named and shamed' but believe that there is a time and a place for that, and that the 'named and shamed' should have a reasonable opportunity to defend themselves, that is a basic principle of natural justice. I don't think that this forum is the place to name and shame.

I don't think that Richard was alluding to standards in the public sector as such but was suggesting that the standards are not audited or enforced as well as they might be by the 'government'.
HARIDAS.P.V  
#7 Posted : 28 December 2009 15:00:29(UTC)
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HARIDAS.P.V

Dear All,
What made me to comment such is based on my past five years of reserch experience in Health & Safety-here in Middle East. There was a boom in construction and related industries for the past couple of years here in middle east. In those times whereever you go; you can find safety slogans; notice boards; some sort of strict control systems, meetings, exhibitions (overflow) etc.. But, all of a sudden; there was some news that middle east is under deep recession stage. Now; it is a fact that anyone can observe "safety" become "silent". This is not only the case of public sector /private sector/ big brother or any one. Being an HSE profeesional how we can help to regain or retain our past standards is my question.

Thanks to all
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