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Wenders  
#1 Posted : 22 January 2010 08:06:48(UTC)
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Wenders

An employee has attended their local hospital following an incident at work, I visited the employee who stated they had a dislocated shoulder and the hospital had treated them, the hospital told her to refrain from work for 7 days, however they did not issue her with a sick note and told her to visit their GP, I asked if I could see the letter from the hospital to her GP and she informed me that the hospital did not issue letters. Could anyone tell me if this is normal practise.
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:43:28(UTC) IanBlenkharn  
#2 Posted : 22 January 2010 09:57:06(UTC)
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IanBlenkharn

Most dislocations would be treated in A&E and the patient discharged quickly therafter. A 'note' to the GP may be little more that the back copy of a booking in/treatment form, or indeed nothing at all. When admission is not required, a formal letter is most unlikely unless there is any need for GP follow-up. What's wrong with self-certification? The NHS implemented this system for a purpose, and their workload is not to support you ;-) As for you seeing forms or letters, take care with confidentiality. Ask, but don't expect.
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 22 January 2010 10:03:03(UTC)
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firesafety101

As far as your question is concerned Ian has just about summed it up. 100%. I'd be more concerned with getting the "incident" fully investigated, entered in the accident record book and preventative measures in place to ensure it doesn't happen again. Notify the company insurers and wait now for the letter from employer's solicitor?
Juan Carlos Arias  
#4 Posted : 22 January 2010 10:04:55(UTC)
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Juan Carlos Arias

yes, in my experience this is normal practise. Hospitals very seldom issue sick note and normally send them to see their GP, as said before by Ian, they could self-certify for up to a week.
Invictus  
#5 Posted : 22 January 2010 10:22:18(UTC)
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Invictus

The hospital note if supplied would be madical and therefore confidential and would not have to be shown. Did you report under RIDDOR
kev3152  
#6 Posted : 22 January 2010 10:26:55(UTC)
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kev3152

Beat me to it, Farrell. Hospital treament / over 3 day absence = RIDDOR. (I'm also a liitle intrigued about the use of the word 'incident' rather than 'accident').
johnmurray  
#7 Posted : 23 January 2010 00:21:53(UTC)
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johnmurray

Most hospitals now use the GP reporting system. The information is sent directly to the GPs surgery electronically.
Phil John  
#8 Posted : 23 January 2010 17:07:34(UTC)
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Phil John

Dislocation of the Shoulder is RIDDOR reportable. Regards Phil
frankhone  
#9 Posted : 25 January 2010 13:47:07(UTC)
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frankhone

all above correct report Incident / accident under RIDDOR Employee self certs 1st 7 days then go to doctors if neccessary & ask for sick note for additional period of absence.
tstc  
#10 Posted : 25 January 2010 14:11:13(UTC)
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tstc

#6 Kev Incident or Accident......it's not an accident until it has been investigated and shown through evidence that it was an 'accident'. It is however, and always will be, an incident or occurrence.
Murray18822  
#11 Posted : 26 January 2010 08:51:23(UTC)
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Murray18822

Accident - unplanned event resulting in injury Incident - unplanned event resulting in no injury
frankhone  
#12 Posted : 26 January 2010 09:34:53(UTC)
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frankhone

Accident - unplanned event resulting in injury and or damage Incident - unplanned event resulting in no injury or damage with the potential to cause damage or injury
The Aardvark  
#13 Posted : 26 January 2010 14:20:52(UTC)
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The Aardvark

Following on from the original Poster's question, what do you do if a GP refuses to issue a sick note, despite it being blindingly obvious that the person in question is unable to work (yeah, it was me) Some employers (like mine) only allow self certification for a short period of time before they insist on a sick note. I am fortunate in that my employer knows that I don't go sick unless it is physically impossible for me to get to work (or in case I spread something nasty around the office) and so after constant refusals from said GP, I am allowed to self certificate even after the time period has lapsed. Some are not so lucky, what do you do? Changing GP's is the obvious answer, but as this process can take up to three weeks, and most people only visit when they are sick, it means that by the time you need to change/get the note, it is too late. Advice and answers greatly appreciated, many thanks, The Aardvark.
Dave C  
#14 Posted : 26 January 2010 19:17:35(UTC)
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Dave C

I'm getting confused here with accidents and incidents. When we talk about an accident do we mean injury to people or are we to include damage say caused by one of our vehicle drivers say hitting a fence, taking out a post rail but sustaining no injury whatsoever? At present our internal accident reports are only completed when there has been an injury to persons?
tabs  
#15 Posted : 29 January 2010 12:00:13(UTC)
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tabs

We are going off topic slightly, but it is easier to reply here than create two new topics etc: Accident/Incident - neither are legally enforceable as deffinitions and often vary between companies and acedemic referencies. Don't see why anyone would get het-up about the interchangable use. Regarding GP refusal to issue 'sick note' I would suggest you discuss with your HR Dept before assuming you are on safe ground, because some companies regard unauthorised absence (i.e. contrary to the company absence policy) as gross misconduct. You do have the option of calling your NHS trust for advice regarding a second opinion.
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