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Hello there, I wanted to get some advice on becoming a sole trader for giving hse advice to companies who would like me to give them advice on getting their health and safety systems to a reasonable standard.
This stems from a recent talk with my friend who is a sole trader after he was made reundant Ive decided to consider this option as its a nightmare to get a role with a company and get my foot in the door in another H&S role.
I am a tech IOSH with International gen cert and I am 1/4 way through my Nebosh NVQ 6 diploma and I feel it is going well. I have recently decided to move into health and safety in a serious way and have experience on construction sites in a health and safety role but it was a junior role really.
It is that if I were to become a sole trader would I be classed as competent to give advice to companies on their H&S needs. I feel I am quite clued up and have got a LOT of info from section A of the NEBOSH level 6 diploma. I ask this due to s36 of HASWA which a lot of consultant H&S practitioners have been hammered with recently.
I know one cant know everything, especially as I work in Scotland where the regs are slightly different from the English and Welsh regs, eg Occupiers liability act 1960 or the Fire Scotland regs. which Ive studied less of than the Eng and Wales law.
In truth what shortfalls could my fellow practitioners see in me going into a sole traders position giving out H&S advice?
Any and all feedback welcome.
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It depends on your back ground, i am a Health and Safety advisor for a demolition company and would probable be uncomfortable to be a Health |& Safety Advisor for someone like, say, a diving company, or oil rigs etc, i have 29 years experience in Demolition, during which time i have operated Excavators, Supervised demolition contracts, been certificated to remove Asbestos, managed the reclamation yard, and then moved into the office to prepare Method Statements, Risk Assessments, Health & Safety plans etc, i feel very comfortable in my environment and would like to feel that i am competent. With regards to your question, how do you define competence? As someone with competencies as those measurable skills, abilities and personality traits that identify successful employees against defined roles within an organisation.
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best definition I ever heard was;-
Someone is 'competent' when they recognise when they are 'not competent'
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You know better than anyone your shortfalls. That said, if you are not careful it is easy to get into areas that you are not so familiar with, not that is all wrong either, it's good to learn as you earn. I have often said to a potential client that it is not an area that I am overly familar with and then research on the subject. Knowledge is a very powerful tool but don't be frightened of it.
I guess when you seek quotes for Public and Professional Liabaility insurance you may find that an indicator as well, as I suspect premiums will more costly for those whose qualifications don't measure up to expectations.
Good luck.
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Ray is quite right - the only person who really knows your competency is you. However the mere fact that you are asking the question is a good start as there's nothing worse in H&S than an unconscious incomptent!
I've gone the sole trader consultancy route in the last 6 months and it's probably been the most enjoyable 6 months of my H&S career. I have had to say no once or twice to things I did not feel confortable with (CDM-C for a major project, um, no thanks...) but exactly as Ray says I have taken on some things where I've been honest with a client about my limited experience but been clear that I will take the job (usually secondary to a main task) under those limitations. Clearly this wouldn't be appropriate for - say - an asbestos survey, but I've learned a lot about carbon footprinting for example!
Yes you will find when you look at Insurance quotes that some things are either excluded or cost a LOT more to get cover for and that will give you a good idea of what you can and can't tackle.
Have confidence in yourself and start off with tasks that fit into your comfort zone. You'll soon find that clients who are satisifed with your work start asking you to branch out a bit and if you feel confortable to do so then go for it. It makes for some great CPD activities!
Good luck and feel free to drop me a PM if you want to ask anything specific.
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As the previous posts have mentioned there are a number of factors you are going to need to consider. A good definition of competency that I utilise is that is made up of skills; experience; attitude and knowledge (SEAK).
I became a sole trader 4 years ago and personally wouldn't have considered it until I had become a CMIOSH because I knew the industries and locations I worked it would expect that as a minimum in relation to knowledge and qualifications.
In saying that I know some really clued up people who have the technical knowledge and experience and are now working their way through the qualifications side of things.
The key thing to remember in consultancy is that what your market is - if you are going to offer your services as the "competent" person as per Reg 7 of MHSWR then you are going to need a wide knowledge of H&S areas.
E.g small and medium sized businesses may not have a requirement for a full-time H&S person and wish to employ you as their competent - worst case scenario if they have a serious accident they are going to be looking at you to do the investigation; guide them through the potential enforcement process; liaise with legal team if proceedings go further. Not only that but you are realistically going to have to be the "doer" and not just give advice to them.
You also need to consider what contacts you potentially have. No single H&S person can profess to be an expert in everything and indeed there are now 2-3 of us who work in our business who have different industry experience and different strengths (e.g. those who can go out and do the shop floor/workforce type aspects and those who can deal with management/strategy/objectives/client facing, etc) And even with this variety of strengths there are still other areas where we would bring in other specialists (fire risk assessments; work at height training, etc.)
So I guess what you need to decide is what H&S areas you want to work in - have you considered getting involved with a local consultancy - maybe that is a stepping stone prior to setting up yourself.
I would just echo the point that professional indemnity and public liability insurance are absolute definites and as part of this process you normally need to submit your CV and qualifications when they considered the costing and the level of cover. Note - offshore and some construction activities (e.g. demolition) always hike up the price so again, you need to be clear in what areas you are targetting.
Hope the above helps.
Donna
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Yes, this is all great info and just the stuf that I was looking for. I think you`re all right about the liability insurance, Im looking into it just now. I really do appreciate all your feedback and its definately food for thought.
As for "have you considered getting involved with a local consultancy - maybe that is a stepping stone prior to setting up yourself."
I think thats a smashing idea and have applied to a local consultancy today to see how it pans out.
I also think that " Have confidence in yourself and start off with tasks that fit into your comfort zone. You'll soon find that clients who are satisifed with your work start asking you to branch out a bit and if you feel confortable to do so then go for it. It makes for some great CPD activities!"
is also good advice and am pleased about it. Im definately applying myself, i think Ill have to keep at it. Just any way of getting into H&S in this ecoomic climates a bit of a challenge I think.
I also think that maybe the CMIOSH would be a good thing to have before going full tilt into an advisory position but thats two years away which is a fair bit either way, definately good feeback form all.
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